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B-17 Flying Fortress

CountryUnited States
ManufacturerThe Boeing Company
Primary RoleHeavy Bomber
Maiden Flight28 July 1935


ww2dbaseThe Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bombers were first seen on 28 Jul 1935 as E. Gifford Emery and Edward Curtis Wells' Boeing Model 299, flown by test pilot Les Tower. It was designed as a response to the United States Army Air Corps' 1934 demand for a multi-engined bomber, but Boeing had over-done it: the four-engined bomber was so expensive that the US Army instead went with the two-engined Douglas B-18 Bolo design. The evaluation, though tainted with a fatal accident, impressed some top brass regardless. Through a legal loophole, the USAAC ordered 13 B-17 bombers for testing on 17 Jan 1936. Between that time and the opening of the Pacific War in 1941, fewer than 200 B-17 bombers entered service with the USAAC. Some of the early production bombers went to the British Royal Air Force which began the European War without heavy bombers. In early 1940, 20 B-17 bombers were transferred to the RAF, which redesignated them as Fortress I bombers. Their first operation was against the German Kriegsmarine's port facilities at Wilhelmshaven, Germany on 8 Jul 1941, and their performance left much to be desired as bombs missed their targets and machine guns froze at the high altitude. While these early B-17 bombers were being relegated to reconnaissance and patrol roles, the experiences shared by the British crews helped Boeing tweak the design of later models; mainly, the British crews expressed the need for these bombers to carry larger bomb loads and better aiming equipment.

ww2dbaseThe United States entered the war in Dec 1941, and from the start she began building up air forces in Europe. The first 18 B-17E bombers arrived to equip the US 8th Air Force units in mid-1942, and flew their first mission against French rail yards on 17 Aug 1942. With the newly devised Norden Bombsight, this mission was much more successful than the British experience earlier in the European War.

ww2dbaseThe American direct involvement in war increased production of B-17 bombers dramatically; in fact, they are often considered the first mass-produced modern aircraft. Before the advent of long-range fighter escorts, B-17 bombers flew in box formations so that their machine guns could provide overlapping fields of fire to protect each other, though at a sacrifice of rigidity of flight paths, which led to increased dangers from ground-based anti-aircraft guns. These bombers, after many rounds of improvements, were now known for their durability. Many stories were told where major sections of the bombers, such as the tail fin, nearly destroyed but the crews still made their ways home safely.

ww2dbaseA typical crew of a B-17 Flying Fortress bomber consisted of 10 men. The commanding officer was the piot, and the executive officer was the co-pilot; these two officers received equal training, and their difference in status was largely only due to the luck of the draw. The bombardier was also an officer, manning the chin turret during flight but taking control of the entire bomber during the actual bomb run, even flying the aircraft at that time, via the connection between his Norden bomb sight and the auto-pilot system. The navigator, another officer, kept the aircraft path during the flight and manned the cheek guns when attacked. The flight engineer, a non-commissioned officer, was trained in the basic mechanics of the entire aircraft, and manned the top turret when attacked. The radio operation, a non-commissioned officer, handled communications and served as the first aid giver when necessary. Finally, the four remaining crew member, all non-commissioned officers, manned the ball turret, left waist gun, right waist gun, and the tail gun; although these bombers were durable, to call them "fortresses" was a exaggeration, thus the gunners served an important role in the defense of these actually vulnerable bombers.

ww2dbaseDuring WW2, 26 B-17 bomber groups served in Britain and 6 groups served in Italy. Beginning in 1943, they began a carpet bombing campaign against German industrial targets. Initially an alarming number of B-17 bombers were lost, but as the war went on, the depleting capabilities of German air defense made the bombing campaigns more effective. Many accused the Western Allies of conducting terror bombing during WW2, and many of the alleged terror bombing missions were conducted with B-17 bombers. On 15 Feb 1945, as part of the aerial operation against the German city of Dresden, 311 B-17 bombers dropped 771 tons of bombs, contributing to the killing of 25,000 people committed by both American and British bombers.

ww2dbaseSome B-17 bombers crash-landed or were forced down on German soil, and about 40 of them were put into service by the German Luftwaffe. They were designated Do 200 and were used in reconnaissance operations. A few of them kept their Allied markings and were sent to infiltrate Allied B-17 formations to report their position and altitude; initially successful, Allied airmen soon developed methods to challenge unidentified aircraft that tried to join their formations.

ww2dbaseSeveral B-17 bombers were also taken by the Soviets who flew them in combat missions despite having little experience with them. Soviet opinion toward the B-17 design was generally favorable. Some remained in Soviet service until 1948.

ww2dbaseFive bomber groups of the US 5th Air Force operated B-17 bombers in the Pacific Theater, with a peak of 168 bombers in Sep 1942. After some time of ineffective high altitude bombing, some of the B-17 bombers adopted "skip bombing", a technique usually practiced by medium bombers rather than heavy bombers. When skip bombing, the aircraft flew at very low altitudes over water; as the bombs were released, they struck the water at a shallow angle and bounced into the sides of targeted ships. The technique of skip bombing scored several sinkings.

ww2dbaseWhen WW2 ended, a total of 12,700 B-17 bombers were built. Peak US Army Air Forces inventory, in Aug 1944, was 4,574 worldwide. Besides Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed (via subsidiary Vega) also contributed to that total. After the war General Carl Spaatz commented that "[w]ithout the B-17, we might have lost the war."

ww2dbaseAfter the war, some B-17 bombers made their way to Israel via the black market, some were acquired by collectors in form of museums, while most of them were melted down for scrap. The most famous of the surviving B-17 bomber at the time of this writing is arguably the 25-mission veteran of European Theater "Memphis Belle", which is now at National Museum of the United States Air Force near Dayton, Ohio, United States for restoration and display in the near future.

ww2dbaseSource: Wikipedia.

Last Major Revision: Apr 2007

B-17 Flying Fortress Timeline

28 Jul 1935 The company-funded Boeing Model 299 prototype aircraft (later B-17 Flying Fortress), piloted by Leslie R. Tower, made its maiden flight from Boeing Field, Seattle, United States.
7 May 1941 The first of the B-17 Flying Fortress bombers in Britain arrived at RAF Watton.
8 Jul 1941 British B-17 bombers were deployed on a combat mission for the first time as three of them were ordered to attack Wilhelmshaven, Germany.
30 Sep 1941 The RAF withdrew B-17 bombers from service.
1 Jul 1942 B-17E Flying Fortress bomber "Jarring Jenny" landed at Prestwick, Scotland, United Kingdom having flown the 3,000 miles from Maine, United States via Greenland and Iceland. It was the first of hundreds of sister aircraft to be flown to Great Britain to form the US Eighth Air Force.
14 Aug 1942 The B-17E Flying Fortress aircraft "Chief Seattle from the Pacific North West" was launched from Port Moresby, Australian Papua for a reconnaissance mission over Rabaul, New Britain, but the aircraft became missing shortly after launch and was never found. This aircraft was paid for by donations from civilians of the state of Washington in northwestern United States.
13 May 1943 B-17 bomber "Hell's Angels" of US 303rd Bomb Group became the first aircraft to complete 25 combat missions.
19 May 1943 US B-17F bomber 'Memphis Belle' became the second aircraft to complete 25 combat missions after attacking Kiel, Germany.
20 Apr 1944 No. 214 Squadron RAF (of No. 100 group based at RAF Oulton at Aylsham, England, United Kingdom), established in Nov 1943, flew the first operational sortie with their Fortress Mk. III (SD) aircraft. These were extensively modified B-17G aircraft fitted out with electronic countermeasures and radar jamming devices. This Squadron would fly more than 1,000 sorties up to May 1945 losing just eight aircraft on operations.
2 Jun 1944 US suttle-bombing between Italy and the USSR (Operation Frantic) began. Under command of Lieutenant General Ira C Eaker, 130 B-17s, escorted by 70 P-51s, bombed the railway marshalling yard at Debreczen (Debrecen), Hungary and landed in the Soviet Union; the B-17s at Poltava and Myrhorod, the P-51s at Pyriatyn. 1 B-17 was lost over the target.
6 Jun 1944 Operation Frantic shuttle bombing continued as 104 B-17s and 42 P-51s (having flown to the USSR from Italy on 2 Jun) attacked the airfield at Galați, Romania and returned to Soviet shuttle bases; 8 German fighters were shot down and 2 P-51s were lost.
11 Jun 1944 126 B-17s and 60 P-51s departed Russian shuttle bases for Italy to complete the first Operation Frantic operation. On the way, 121 B-17s bombed the Focşani, Romania airfield.
21 Jun 1944 145 B-17s began an Operation Frantic shuttle bombing mission between the United Kingdom and bases in Ukraine. 72 P-38s, 38 P-47s and 57 P-51s escorted the bombers to the target, the synthetic oil plant at Ruhland, Germany. 123 B-17s bombed the primary target while the rest bombed secondary targets. The fighter escort returned to England while fighters based at Pyriatyn, Ukraine relieved them. 1 B-17 was lost to unknown causes and 144 B-17s landed in the USSR, 73 at Poltava and the rest at Myrhorod. During the night, the 73 B-17s at Poltava were attacked for 2 hours by an estimated 75 German bombers led by aircraft dropping flares. 47 B-17s were destroyed and most of the rest were severely damaged. Heavy damage was also suffered by the stores of fuel, ammunition, and ordinance.
22 Jun 1944 Because of the attack on Operation Frantic B-17s at Poltava, Ukraine the night before, the B-17s at Myrhorod and P-51s at Pyriatyn were moved farther east to be returned before departing to bases in Italy once the weather permitted. The move was fortunate as German bombers struck both Pyriatyn and Myrhorod during the night.
25 Jun 1944 At daybreak, B-17s and P-51s were flown from dispersal bases to Poltava and Myrhorod and loaded and fueled with intentions of bombing the oil refinery at Drohobycz (Drohobych), Poland before proceeding to bases in Italy as part of Operation Frantic’s shuttle-bombing plan. Bad weather canceled the mission until the following day. The aircraft returned to dispersal bases for the night as precaution against air attacks.
26 Jun 1944 72 B-17s departed Poltava and Myrhorod, Ukraine, rendezvoused with 55 P-51s from Pyriatyn, bombed the oil refinery and railway marshalling yard at Drohobycz (Drohobych), Poland (1 returned to the USSR because of mechanical trouble), and then proceeded to Italy as part of Operation Frantic’s shuttle-bombing plan.
3 Jul 1944 55 B-17s in Italy on the return leg of an Operation Frantic shuttle mission join Fifteenth Air Force bombers in bombing railway marshalling yards at Arad, Romania. 38 P-51s also on the shuttle run flew escort on the mission. All Operation Frantic aircraft returned to bases in Italy.
5 Jul 1944 70 B-17s on an Operation Frantic shuttle mission (UK-USSR-Italy-UK) flew from bases in Italy and attacked the railway marshalling yard at Beziers, France (along with Fifteenth Air Force B-24s) while on the last leg from Italy to the United Kingdom. 42 P-51s returned to England with the B-17s (of the 11 P-51s remaining in Italy, 10 returned to England the following day and the last several days later).
6 Aug 1944 In an Operation Frantic mission, 75 B-17s from England bombed aircraft factories at Gdynia and Rahmel, Poland and flew on to bases in Ukraine. 23 B-17s were damaged. Escort was provided by 154 P-51s. 4 P-51s were lost and 1 was damaged beyond repair. Further, 60 fighters from the previous day’s strike took off from Operation Frantic bases in Ukraine, attacked Craiova railway marshalling yard and other railway targets in the Bucharest-Ploesti, Romania area, and landed at bases in Italy.
7 Aug 1944 In accordance with a Soviet request, 55 B-17s and 29 P-51s of the USAAF involved in Operation Frantic flew from bases in Ukraine and attacked an oil refinery at Trzebinia, Poland without loss and returned to Operation Frantic bases in the USSR.
8 Aug 1944 Operation Frantic shuttle missions continued as 78 B-17s with 55 P-51s as escort left bases in Ukraine and bombed airfields in Romania; 38 bombed Buzău and 35 bombed Ziliştea. No German fighters were encountered and the force flew on to Italy.
12 Aug 1944 The Operation Frantic shuttle-bombing mission UK-USSR-Italy-UK is completed. 72 B-17s took off from bases in Italy and bombed the Toulouse-Francazal Airfield, France before flying on to England. 62 P-51s (part of the shuttle-mission force) and 43 from the UK provide escort; no aircraft are lost.
11 Sep 1944 75 B-17s of Operation Frantic shuttle missions left England as part of a larger raid to oil refineries at Chemnitz along with 64 P-51s that continued on and landed in Ukraine.
13 Sep 1944 73 B-17s, escorted by 63 P-51s, continuing the Operation Frantic UK-USSR-Italy-UK shuttle-bombing mission, took off from Ukraine bases, bombed a steel and armament works at Diósgyőr, Hungary and proceeded to Fifteenth Air Force bases in Italy.
15 Sep 1944 As part of Operation Frantic, 110 B-17s were dispatched from England to drop supplies to Warsaw resistance fighters and then proceed to bases in the USSR but a weather front was encountered over the North Sea and the bombers were recalled. Escort is provided by 149 P-51s and 2 P-51s collided in a cloud and were lost.
17 Sep 1944 An Operation Frantic UK-USSR-Italy-UK shuttle mission was completed as 72 B-17s and 59 P-51s fly without bombs from Italy to England.
22 Sep 1944 The last Operation Frantic mission ended as 84 B-17s and 51 P-51s return to England from Italy.


Machinery4 Wright R-1820-97 'Cyclone' turbosupercharged radial engines rated at 1,200 hp each
Armament13xBrowning M-2 12.7mm machine guns, 8,000kg of bombs (usually 3,600kg for short range missions or 2,000kg for long range missions)
Span31.62 m
Length22.66 m
Height5.82 m
Wing Area131.92 m²
Weight, Empty16,391 kg
Weight, Loaded24,495 kg
Weight, Maximum29,710 kg
Speed, Maximum462 km/h
Speed, Cruising293 km/h
Rate of Climb4.60 m/s
Service Ceiling10,850 m
Range, Normal3,219 km


Waist blister turret of prototype bomber XB-17, which was not adopted in the final design of the B-17 Flying Fortress bomber, circa Jul 1935Nose turret of XB-17 Model 299 prototype bomber, 24 Jul 1935Crashed B-17 prototype Model 299, 30 Oct 1935Y1B-17 aircraft in flight, circa 1937
See all 223 photographs of B-17 Flying Fortress Heavy Bomber


B-17 Flying Fortress bombers attacking Dresden, Germany; Lancaster bombers preparing to takeoff to attack Dresden; Feb 1945

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1. Johnny Chen says:
19 May 2006 10:36:35 PM

B-17 is the Flying Fortress, http:en.wikipedia.orgwikiB-17
And the B-29 is Superfortress, http:en.wikipedia.orgwikiB-29
2. Commenter identity confirmed Hobilar says:
23 Sep 2007 04:20:39 AM

Contrary to popular belief, the B17 `Memphis Belle was NOT the first USAAF aircraft to complete 25 missions over Europe during World War II.

That honour apparently belongs to the B17 `Hells Angel of the 303rd Bomber Group based at Molesworth.

Whilst `Memphis Belle was the first to complete 25 missions AND return to the United States, `Hells Angel went on to fly a further 48 missions before returning home.

3. crystal says:
21 Oct 2008 04:37:50 PM

i dont know who i can contact but me an my husband found some i think ww2 bombsight magazines from kirtland field, new mexico we are wanting to find someone to take them because we know they might be of value to someone an we dont want to throw them away if someone can please contact me if ou know anyone or if you are wanting them yourself. our email is danny_brown68@yahoo.com
4. Commenter identity confirmed BILL says:
25 May 2009 11:20:10 AM

The B-17 required 55,00 man hours to build in 1941. By 1944 it took 19,000 man hours to build.
During World War II the Willow Run plant hit a peak production of 462 B-17's built, that's an average of 63 minutes per bomber.
Today only 12 B-17's still fly, out of the 12,732 that were built.
5. Commenter identity confirmed BILL says:
24 Jun 2009 08:16:33 AM

The B-17s had dropped more bombs than any
other U.S. aircraft, but at a high cost the
number of B-17s lost in operations numbered 4,750, or 37% of the 12,732 aircraft built.
Did you know that: The editor for the local
Seattle Times, wrote the caption "15 ton Flying Fortress.",The Boeing Co. registered
"Flying Fortress" as a corporate trade-mark.
The 5,000th B-17 built was named 5-Grand and
was signed by factory employees, before the
aircraft entered service.
It retained its Boeing employee autographed
markings, and drew curious crowds wherever it went. The B-17 completed 78 missions and
returned to the United States in June 1945.
6. Anonymous says:
2 Jul 2009 10:25:50 AM

I know someone that flew the Five Grand and his stories are amazing.. they picked up some prisoners of war and returned them to France and "buzzed" the eiffel tower when they got to Paris (against orders!) because the prisoners wanted to circle it. When they landed, the prisoners just ran away from the plane and they never got to know where they went and if they got home safely.
7. Floyd McCoy says:
10 Aug 2009 08:37:14 AM

Bill where did you get your information that % Grand returned to the US on June 1945. I flew in her last combat missions and was scheduled to return her to the US for a bond tour. Word had it that there were so many upper brass that wanted to fly her that the mission was scraped. All I know was that my crew did not fly her. She was a beautiful aircraft All of the painted signatures weighted so much that it cut her air speed down 5 knots.
8. Floyd McCoy says:
10 Aug 2009 01:54:53 PM

If anyone has information about 5 Grand I would like to correspond with you. We were in sq 338 of bomb group 96 located in Snertonheath. We need to correspond now as our
numbers ae growing smaller each day.
9. Commenter identity confirmed Bill says:
9 Nov 2009 08:41:06 PM

Floyd McCoy request dated: 10 Aug 2009
154 PM

Dear Sir:
Thank you for your interest and your Service
During World War II.
Most of my information, comes from Aviation
Magazines such as Wings and Airpower what I have, go back to the 1970's and information that was available at that time.
Other info on 5 Grand she had 35,000
My Father worked in the defence industry, but
all my Uncles served in the Army.
You can E-mail me at pdenomie@pahrump.com
haven't put any info on the B-17, since June
10. Jenessa says:
14 Nov 2009 02:47:38 PM

I have six photos commemorating the 5 Grand that I am putting for sale on craigslist today. I came here doing research on them, and was touched to hear these stories! If anyone is interested call Jenessa at (206) 724-3262.
11. Commenter identity confirmed Bill says:
19 Nov 2009 03:59:14 PM

B-17 Bomber production:

1,000 B-17's parked wingtip to wingtip would
extend almost twenty (20) miles.

The total production of 12,731 would also
extend (250) miles.

1,000 B-17's, they would carry 2.5 million
gallons of aviation fuel,carry 10,000 crew-
men, to deliver 2,000 tons of bombs.

One B-17 cost $204,370 in 1940's dollars,the
same B-17 today, would cost $2,452,440 in 2008 dollars to build.

Aircraft production was 24/7 during W.W.II
For the United States the war lasted about
2,433 days.

Production of Heavy Four-Engine Bombers:
United States 35,301
England 15,936
Germany 1,180
Italy 24
Japan 8
12. Commenter identity confirmed Bill says:
19 Nov 2009 06:22:52 PM

Losses per month correction:
331 men killed and 308 aircraft destroyed
that's about 11 men and 10 airplanes a day.
From December 1941 through August 1945, the
U.S. Army Air Forces lost 14,903 pilots,
aircrew and other personnel plus 13,873
airplanes inside the Continental U.S. Total
aircraft accidents 52,651, with 6,039 with
That's about 1,170 aircraft accidents a month
about 40 per day!
Another 1,000 aircraft disappeared en route.
43,581 were lost overseas due to combat
missions, accidents and other losses.
Against the Western Axis.
In the summer of 1944 the AAF lost 1,100 to
1,500 aircraft per month in the European and
Mediterranean theaters of operation.
13. Commenter identity confirmed Bill says:
20 Nov 2009 07:46:58 PM

Bomber Production

Continued from #11
19 Nov 2009 03:59:14 pm

Russian four-engine bomber Petlyakov Pe-8
*********************************************Petlyakov Pe-8's made the first night bombing raid against Berlin on Aug.10,1941
five (5) of the (8) aircraft reached their targets against the German capitol.
It is unclear how many Pe-8's were built
some sources say 79, more reliable russian
sources say between 93 and 96 aircraft.
It was an advanced aircraft for its time
comparing well, at least on paper to its
Allied contemportary American and British
heavy bombers.
The Pe-8 was built in small numbers, and
made no major contribution to the Soviet war
effort However, it operated as a long-range transport and made a number of trips from the U.S.S.R. to the U.S.A. and was also used
in different opernational rolls.
In the post-war period,the Pe-8 continued to
operate with Aeroflot into the 1950's before
being retired.

The U.S.S.R. inturned three Boeing B-29's
that made emergency landings on Soviet
territory after bombing raids against Japan.
These three aircraft were flown,tested and examined by pilots and engineers.
Reverse-engineered, they were the basis for the U.S.S.R.'s Strategic Bomber Force in the
Post-War World the Tupolev Tu-4 code named
(Bull) by NATO.
14. Anonymous says:
29 Nov 2009 07:32:26 PM

Who is the writer of this??
15. Tim says:
1 Jan 2010 09:38:52 AM


It was interesting to read that you flew in the 5 Grand's last mission. My father-in-law (still alive and healthy) was part of the original crew (Unger's "all bachelor" crew - I think they were called.) There are 2 or 3 of his original crew still left. I'd be interested in any info you might have. What a SHAME the 5 Grand was scrapped!
16. John MacBride says:
9 Feb 2010 05:02:00 PM

My dad flew on the Five Grand (B-17),but I can't find anything on it on this site.I'll try back again. Thanks.
17. H. Jones says:
5 Mar 2010 11:43:32 AM

My father was the pilot in the first combat crew. The crew that flew it to England was reassigned to another aircraft after the landing gear on the Five Grand (B-17) malfunctioned. He flew the first 18 combat missions from Snedderton Heath in England. There was an excellent article in Wings Magazine a few years ago(sorry, I don't have the issue number or date at this time. I'll try to locate it). I have a lot of pictures, articles and combat mission orders related to the Five Grand.
18. Mike Lenahan says:
25 Oct 2010 04:12:14 PM

For those looking for information on 5-Grand, I have a fair amount. My father, James Lenahan, was the bombardier in the original COMBAT crew that flew the first 35 missions in 5 Grand, the last of which was on December 24th 1944 in support of the Battle of the Bulge. BTW, the original COMBAT Pilot was Roy Brockman. Benny Wade, Elmo Allen were also crew members. I think Benny was the Navigator....all great men!!!
19. Monty Howard says:
14 Nov 2010 09:01:07 PM

I frequently wonder how long it took for a crew who survived 25 missions to complete their combat tour. I've looked for that statistic from time to time, but have not seen it yet.
20. Bill says:
28 Dec 2010 09:47:30 AM

Mr. Lenahan,,,I have a friend who was a tail gunner on the Five Grand and would like to get in touch with you ... how could he do that? Thank you for your time.
21. Doc says:
2 Jan 2011 04:58:51 PM

As a medical student about ten years ago I had the pleasure of meeting one of the crew of the Five Grand. After I had finished my required work I would seek him out, sit at his bedside, and listen to his stories.
22. Johnnie Wearing says:
5 Jan 2011 12:58:45 PM

I was the tailgunner with Lenahan.How do I reach his son Mike?
23. Mike Lenahan says:
5 Jan 2011 07:04:55 PM

Connected with tail gunner from first combat crew of 5 Grand (who flew with my father) this evening, Johnnie Wearing...What an honor. Thank you C. Peter Chen for emailing me today with news of John's post. We had a great visit and plan to get together soon. God Bless.
24. Army Jrotc cadet says:
25 Jan 2011 07:43:38 PM

i have a question, im doing a speech for my JROTC class and i want to know how many b-17s are left in the world and how many are still air worthy. thanks for the help, i just cant find anything on the internet.
25. Bob says:
9 Feb 2011 01:52:20 PM

Reg. "5 Grand" - Hello all. Last week I lost my dear friend, patriot, and a vanishing number of our WWII vets, Doug Cox, who told me many stories about Snetterton Heath, England, and the 5 Grand. He stated he flew 24 missions on her as a bombadier and a turret gunner. He mentioned a name, Tom Watson, who may have been his pilot. If anyone has any memories of Doug or Mr. Watson, please let me know.
Bob in Ballinger, Tx. email: attimberridge@aol.com
26. Lucky Luckadoo says:
18 Mar 2011 05:09:46 PM

I was a co-pilot in the Original "Bloody Hu ndredth" Bomb Group who flew out of Thorpe Abbotts in East Anglia beginning in June 1944. I completed my tour of 25 missions as a pilot & Operations Officer of two sqdns. on Feb. 13,1944, leading a mission on a V-2 emplacement with Bill DeSanders (also an original crew member) in "Alice from Dallas II". Most of my original crew completed their 25 missions on Sept. 16, 1943 -- or approx. 91 days. As far as I know this was the fastest record for a combat tour in the the 8th AF. There are 12 B-17s currently left flying in the world. I visited one this afternoon at the Frontiers of Flight Museum here in Dallas, together with a B24 & a P-51, which are flown around the country to about 100 cities each year by the Collings Foundation.
Keep 'em flying.
27. mike blatchford says:
19 Mar 2011 09:25:34 AM

my dad bill blatchford was a wing rivet inspector on B17's at the murry plant in detroit mi. he said they received letters from the air crews thanking them for making a great plan. he was very proud of that.
28. Jeremy Weber says:
16 Apr 2011 08:47:56 PM

Hi folks. I am a journalist in Montana and I am currently working on a story with a lady who worked at Boeing Plant 2 in Seattle where Five Grand was built. Can anyone here put us in touch with anyone who was a crew member on that plane?
29. Jeremy Weber says:
16 Apr 2011 08:58:35 PM

I guess contact info would help:

Jeremy Weber
903-434-9795 (phone)
jweber@valleyjournal.net (e-mail)
30. Joette Bowman says:
19 Apr 2011 10:05:20 AM

My Father flew two missions in "Five Grand", aircraft No. 43-37716
31. Rick Wearing says:
28 May 2011 01:35:42 PM

Regarding surviving crew members from B17,5Grand Johnny Wearing tailgunner flew 35 missions and is still kicking here in Detroit,Michigan.He recently was in contact with Michael Lenahan,the son of Mr James Lenahan bombardier 5 Grand and they were able to share memories.Dad would love to hear from anyone from Snetterton Heath Airfield.
32. Anonymous says:
28 May 2011 01:38:59 PM

Johnny Wearing 313-882-5793
33. Carol says:
16 Jun 2011 07:28:59 PM

My dad, Bill Styles, was co-pilot on the "Alice from Dallas" B17, which went down over the North Sea. He survived and was a Pow for over 2 years. He died in 1975, but my mom is still alive and well. Would love to hear from anyone with similar interest.
34. Carol says:
17 Jun 2011 08:12:24 AM

Correction on my previous post - my dad, Bill Styles, flew the "Alice from Dallas" but did not go down on that plane, he was flying a different one that day because the pilot, Bill DeSanders, was not available that day. Dad went down on the "Duration plus Six" on July 25, 1943.
35. Mike Lenahan says:
20 Jun 2011 01:47:16 PM

Mr. Weber: John Wearing is the only surviving member of the original combat crew of 5-Grand as far as I know. He is more than alive and kicking in Detroit...had a conversation a while back with him and he sounded as spirited as ever. My Dad (Jim Lenahan) was the bombardier in the crew with Wearing, Wade, Brockman, Allen, etc...
36. John Gardner says:
16 Jul 2011 04:37:58 AM

My dad was the bombardier on "Hell's Kitchen".Just curious if any crew member might remember him. He passed away in 1994. His name was Jim
37. walter malott says:
27 Jul 2011 12:41:11 PM

Anyone have info on a plane call "the going dawg" My great uncle flew it in england during the war. thanks.
38. Sean Turpin says:
25 Mar 2012 07:03:51 AM

Hello, Looking for any info on "Mayor of Turners Falls". Nose art was a skeleton riding a coffin while smoking a cigar.
39. Chris Roberts says:
16 Apr 2012 01:24:39 PM

How can I find a list of American pilots from WWII, anyone have any ideas?
40. Chris Roberts says:
19 Apr 2012 11:43:52 AM

I have a photo of a B-17 crew with the names of the crew members and even their home towns, but I'm not sure how to track down what happened to them since that photo. I have tried searching the WW2db but have had know luck. If anyone has an idea on how to do this I would appreciate hearing from you.
41. mike m says:
6 Jun 2012 02:18:08 AM

Does any one ahve the picture of the Nose art a skeleton riding a coffin while smoking a cigar?? i seen it before and looking for it again..thanks
42. rose says:
7 Jul 2012 07:19:34 PM

would like to know if anyone knows of the b-17 nicknamed pet waters pet. this was my dads ship. he was a tailgunner/ bomberdeer in the flying fortress. i have all his wings and medals and would like to "talk story" about all that my dad told us. and boy, did he have stories of bravery and things that happened during his 36 missiopns, yes 36! over germany
43. rose says:
7 Jul 2012 07:31:23 PM

forgot to mention, i still have all the phots that my dad took during the war. pictures of the fighting and also the rest periods and how it was to be in england and flying. there are shots from where he was on the ship. theres some with him shooting and looks so unbelievable how my dad survived 36 missions. they had some close calls, trying to land woith only one engine over trees and how my dad had to make the decision who was going to jump over alli territory, poland and after a few weeks hugging and crying with that brave man who had to jump to save the rest of the crew and the ship.i just cant believe how brave these men were! my dasd is gone now but i will never forget how brave they all were.i was just wishing someone was still around who remembers my dad, the only hawaian, from maui. john jardine. i'll gop check his dog dags. there probably have a serial# or something, right?
44. rose says:
4 Feb 2013 04:01:58 PM

i'm trying to contact anyone who wants to share stories about flying the b-17 during ww2. i have alot of photos from my dad while he was a bomberdeir and tailgunner and the stories he told me is so unbelievable and just wanted to share them with anyone. he is gone now but his stories is still so fresh in my mind. please contact me
45. Gary Weise says:
30 Mar 2013 08:30:58 PM

CC 'Louisa Barausky'
Bruce Weise

My father Harry V. Weise was the co-pilot on 5 Grand when Roy Brachman was pilot. My brother Bruce & I met Roy and Benny Wade (bombadier or navigator?) at an Air Force reunion in Norfolk in fall of 2002? Bruce visited with Roy & Lee, his wife, sometime later at his home in Rochester NY. Bruce & I also traveled to Snetterton England April 2002. That's the air base that 5 Grand flew from during dad's tour. We were there to participate in the dedication of a monument to all who served from there during WW II.

Bruce & I would love to connect with Mike Lenahan and any other members or family of that crew or any others who served on 5 Grand. We'd appreciate any help anybody can provide or suggestions anybody has to help make those connections.
Gary V. Weise
(904) 739-7447 home, (904) 635-0623 cell
46. Jim says:
27 Apr 2013 05:57:51 PM

The first bomber to complete 25 missions in the 8th Air Force was neither Memphis Belle nor Hell's Angels. I was the B-24 Liberator Hot Stuff.
It completed 25 missions on Feb. 7, 1943 three and a half months before the Belle.

The Memphis Belle and Hot Stuff flew on the same mission one time to wilhelmshavin, Germany on March 22, 1943. The Memphis Belle was on her 10th mission. Hot Stuff was on her 30th mission. for more information and a video of Hot Stuff go to the following website: www.b24hotstuff.wikispaces.com

47. Anonymous says:
20 Jun 2013 11:07:25 AM

my dad flew in the 303rdBG(H) they completed 26 missions in just under 8 months - crash landed on 26th mission (all crew POWs). By then the number to complete was 30; I believe it was later upped to 35.
48. Graham wright says:
20 Oct 2013 11:45:30 AM

Does anyone know any information on a B17 called "touch the button Nell"

It crashed on July 4th 1944 over France. The crash site is near a village in central France close to a village called Pressac. I am very interested to find out more of this plane and its mission etc.

We have a French holiday home near the site, and being in the RAF for some time years ago I would like to find out more. Recently a memorial has been raised to the memory of the crew on the crash site and names of all the crew are inscribed on the monument.

Would welcome any information on this plane

Yours in anticipation
Graham Wright
49. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
28 Oct 2013 11:13:00 PM

Re: Comment #48: The aircraft was actually named “Touch the Button Nell II” a B-17G-30-DL
#42-38117 of the 535th BS, 381st BG operating from RAF Ridgewell, Essex. On July 4 1944, after a successful bomb run on the airfield at La Riche near Tours, “Touch the Button Nell II” suffered unknown mechanical failure(s) and went down near Persac, France. Seven of the crew were lost:
1. 2nd Lt. Bobrof, Bob B.; Pilot
2. 2nd Lt. Devono, George J.; Co-Pilot
3. 2nd Lt. Cole, Charles D. ; Navigator
4. 2nd Lt. Goodman, Bernard (NMI); Bombardier
5. T/Sgt. Dell, George W.; Engineer-Top Turret Gunner
6. Sgt. Polski, Edward F.; Ball Turret Gunner
7. S/Sgt. Snyder, Thomas E.; Tail Gunner

Surviving crewmembers were:
T/Sgt. Word, Clinton S.; Radio Operator
S/Sgt. Hitchcock, Kenneth F.; Waist Gunner
[seems to be short one waist gunner; normal B-17 crew was 10 (?)]
50. Dave Cannon Jr. says:
6 Nov 2013 09:55:29 PM

I am looking for information on an uncle who went down and was killed in a B-17 during the war . Are there any sites online where one could go to obtain info on crews ? Thanks in advance for any info on a direction to start .
51. Dennis says:
12 Nov 2013 04:41:46 PM

My Grandfather was in the 8th Air Force during WW2. He was a ball turret gunner in a B17(?). I have his discharge papers along with other paperwork stating he was in the 848th BS, 490th BG(H).
I am just curious to learn any information about this, any input would be welcomed.

PS. I have a pic of him and the crew in front of a bomber named "Thumper II"
52. Nick Lorch says:
9 Dec 2013 07:38:12 PM

Lucky Luckadoo....Contact me please! My grandfather was on Duration Plus Six and Alice from Dallas!
53. skyler says:
3 Feb 2014 11:14:30 AM

my great grandfather fought in world war 2
54. Gary Weise says:
26 Mar 2014 02:15:45 PM

I'd lik to connect with any of the crew or family members of 5-Grand or any other B-17's. Johnny Wearing & I had a great meeting earlier this month. (904) 739-7447 home, (904) 635-0623 cell
55. Mason Dunn says:
6 Apr 2014 08:36:27 PM

My grandfather's name was Jack Finger. I'm not sure what bomber group he was in, but i was told he flew 50 missions over North Africa, Sicily, possibly Italy and Ploeste. Anyone know how I could find out what info there is on what missions he was a part of or the name of his plane/s? Unfortunately my grandfather died in a commercial plane crash Feb 8 1976 when I was 5 yrs old.
56. Anonymous says:
24 Apr 2014 12:21:20 PM

Does anyone have any facts regarding Wilson Bongers, Bombadier? He was on a bombing mission, with his bombing group, over Italy in 1945. His B-17 collided with another B-17 over the Adreatic Sea. Happened Feb. 2 1945. I don't think there were any survivors.
57. Anonymous says:
20 May 2014 06:13:37 PM

To Dave Cannon. Try this site http://www.taphilo.com/history/8thaf/8thAFUnitMarkings.shtml
58. Billy McAdams says:
12 Jun 2014 05:50:06 PM

The Mighty 8th museum in Pooler Georgia can give you any and all information on any mission, b 17, and crew of WW2. It is well worth the trip if you had a family member in the war. The archives up stairs at the museum will help you. My father was flight eng on Horse Fly on the first Ploesti raid.
59. Lou Ann says:
26 Jun 2014 07:48:24 PM

My dad was on the Duration + 6 and Alice From Dallas. Was shot down on Aug 17 and rescued by Resistance Army in Kleine Spouen near Bilzen Belgium. I have photos of the crew and a Rosary and youth swastika armband given to him by resistance fighters.
60. Dave says:
19 Sep 2014 01:25:37 PM

I am looking for any info on a B17 tail gunner named Don Hurst who claims that his B17 crash landed in Germany in 1945 just short of the Swiss border. He claims to have killed 10 Germans, taken 2 prisoners, got 8 injured crew members safely into Switzerland and back to base in England. He claims to have received the silver star & distinguished flying cross. I can find no record of any of these claims
61. Mike Charteris says:
27 Sep 2014 05:29:54 PM

Hi There,
Mike Charteris from Australia here.
I am ex-Australian Navy, and also a Radio Ham

I have read a lot about the B-17's in WW2 and watched a good few documentaries about the gallant men who flew them over the battle skies of Europe.

I was wondering if it might be possible to make contact with any of these surviving heroes, of the sky. I know its a long shot, but it would be quiet an experience to hear from any of these men who did a great deal to create the free world we all enjoy today.

I look forward to hearing from you
Yours sincerely
Mike from "Down-Under"
my email address is: mikevk4qs@gmail.com
62. Robin Minson says:
28 Oct 2014 07:10:32 AM

Look for information on my dad Grant Minson, he was a co-pilot on the B-17G, buring the war.Do you know the name of his plane?
63. John Ricketts says:
14 Nov 2014 10:03:26 AM

My Dad flew on B-17, "I Got Spurs", out of Molesworth, England, the 303 BG. He was a Tailgunner and Radio Operator. Anyone out there have any information?.
64. Anonymous says:
27 Nov 2014 10:19:15 PM

Looking for any info on my grandfather's Group and Squadron. He was in 8th Airforce, bombarier/Nav on B-17G in european theater. Bertrand L Eichelberger.
I have some old negatives he took of bombing formations. Tail number configuration is six numbers over one letter. Aircraft appear to be OD Green paint scheme
65. tam says:
7 Dec 2014 10:55:03 AM

Desperately searching for information on my grandfather Tech sgt. Dewey (no middle name) Thompson from Whiteville NC. He was a tailgunner on a flying fortress but that's all I know- we have a photo of him standing with his crew in front of the plane, but gramma circled him and wrote "MINE" over it, obliterating the name of the plane! Trying to finish the research for Christmas for my family. Can anyone help?
66. Rose says:
8 Dec 2014 02:23:58 PM

My Dad flew in a B17-8 out of the UK during WWII. a picture I have has a nose number 2462. The plane was shot down over or neart Cologne Germany. My Dad was captured by Hitler's Youth Group and held as a POW until the end of the war. My understanding was that all the flight crew except my Dad were killed. Anyone having additional knowledge please contact me. willstrop.mypeace@gmail.com Thank you.
67. Paul says:
15 Dec 2014 02:06:55 AM

For those of you still interested in the 5 Grand. I obtained another copy of LIFE magazine with production photos & story in it. My uncle Jim was the bombadier and it is being sent to my cousin Michael's family & he will have access to it. At this point it is still pretty mint condition
68. Nick Lorch says:
5 Jan 2015 07:18:24 PM

Lou Ann - what was your grandpa's name!? I'm willing to bet my grandpa is in some of those pictures as well. He was on that same plane, shot down and hid for 6 months before being caught a mile from freedom and eventually brought to Stalag Luft. . Please contact me! I have tons of info about his escape, crash, helper lines and pics. Njlorch@gmail.com.
69. Donald Waelde says:
8 Jan 2015 05:09:36 PM

My uncle Lt Frank Derenberg, was shot down over Holland Feb. 24, 1944 in B-17 "San Antonio Rose" he died in the aircraft from wounds from an ME 109 before the aircraft crashed. as witnessed by aircrew. Of course he was in the 8th Air Force but not many photos of him in England. Most probably all that knew him are now gone. Just in case some one out there may have memorabilia from then.
70. Dave Savage says:
18 Jan 2015 12:12:07 AM

I entered a B-17 today at an airshow in Stuart, Florida. Only then did I understand how brave those men were. Very little room inside that aircraft. I knew a Lt. Col. Stanley Hutchins who flew one. I know he retired to San Antonio and has since passed. Anyone know anything about him? He was a big guy, about 6'3' and lived for a long time in Alexandria, Virginia.
Thank you.
71. Tommy Reynolds says:
7 Feb 2015 05:37:39 PM

My uncle Michael J Sanntinna of New Rochelle, NY crewed on the T-GRAND along with the following.
American Pilots of the 5 Grand
Original caption: England: The 5 Grand And Its Crew. Posed in front of the famous Boeing B-17, 5 Grand are its All-American crew. Front row (L to R) Sgt. Victor L. Ruthart, Lehigh, Ia.,; Sgt. Walter J. Nagel, Chicago, Ill.,; Sgt. Frederick W. Meyers, Huntington Park, Calif.,; S/Sgt. Ruel d. Nelson, Bragg City, Missouri; and S/Sgt. Michael J. Santianna, New Rochelle, N. Y. Back row (L to R) Lt. Leonard G. Conly, Jenkintown, Pa.; Lt. Frank S. Carter, Jr., Litchfield, Ill.; Lt. Warren B. Hansen, Waterford, Wisc.,; and Lt. Bryce H. Jones, Payson, Utah.
72. Bill Byars says:
8 Feb 2015 03:44:30 PM

Gathering any and all information on my father's ( Lee M. Byars crew of the B-17 F"Jenny Lou " #42-3077 piloted by James Brewer out of North Africa with the 341st. Thank you in advance.
73. Geoff Markuson says:
21 Feb 2015 09:41:38 PM

my grandpa Harold heegard was a waiste gunner in the b17 over germsny does anybody know how to get the name of his plane?
74. Anonymous says:
25 Apr 2015 04:31:56 AM

Can anyone remember the collision of 2 B.17's flying in formation near RAF Sywell, UK in March/April 1943 ?
Ex- Flt/Lt. No.514 Sqdn Bomber Command
75. John Clevenger says:
4 May 2015 10:50:20 PM

Did anybody know jess paul wisner co-pilot 43-38551 B-17 bomber , they said collided with another B-17 jan. 7th 1945, my great uncle.
76. Skip Gauldin says:
13 May 2015 11:24:54 AM

Great piece! However, we have not adopted the Metric System of measurement so would you please at least include SAE numbers for those of us really interested in these facts and specs. Welcome to America!
77. Anonymous says:
1 Jun 2015 03:58:04 AM

I am trying to find out about a US soldier, perhaps a member of USAAC killed, on the ground in S France in August 1944. Were any B 17s lost there as part of Operation Dragoon?
78. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
1 Jun 2015 06:39:28 PM

To Anonymous #77:
The 12th & 15th Air Forces operating in the Mediterranean Theater lost 27 B-17s between Dragoon’s D-Day (15 Aug 1944) and the end of the month but it appears none of those losses were directly associated with Operation Dragoon, since Dragoon’s Order of Battle did not include any B-17 squadrons.
79. Anonymous says:
5 Jul 2015 10:18:23 AM

My wife and I are looking for WW2 information connected with S Sargent James E Rogers who flew as a gunner on the Jolly Roger, Grumpy and Annie Oakley.

Don Miner
80. Anonymous says:
10 Jul 2015 09:49:46 PM

In Savannah Ga. there is The Mighty Eaigth army air corp museam, they have a wonderful staff there that can help you find info. about B 17s and B24s records of planes and crew members. They helped us. They also are on line too.
81. Larry Davis says:
16 Aug 2015 01:27:46 PM

Looking for info on my Grandpa Robert L. Davis, 447th Bomb Group, 711SQ, who was a ball turret gunner on the "Squirming Squaw" and possibly the "Hangover." Shot down over France 16 Mar 44. His crew members are as follows:

2nd Lt. Wesley C. Huckins - Pilot
2nd Lt. George W. Freas - Co Pilot
2nd Lt. John R. Mink - Navigator
2nd Lt. Thomas B. Burrell - Bombardier
Sgt. Alan L. Reid - Engineer
Sgt. Richard H. Kreckner- Radio Op
Sgt. Daniel F. Carroll - Armorer
S/Sgt. Kenneth P. Downie - Gunner
Sgt. Earl W. Merritt - Gunner
Sgt. Robert l. Davis - Gunner

Any info is appreciated. Would love to try to find a pic/pics of the bomber, or connect with anyone who has info, or leads. I just recently found out he was my grandpa. Thanks....
82. Earles McCaul says:
24 Aug 2015 08:28:21 PM

The USN also flew B-17G's...but only at the very end of WII. The Navy planes were designated PB-1W (Patrol, Boeing, 1st variant, Warning). These planes evolved from Project Cadillac II, as long-range airborne-radar CIC planes designed to detect incoming Kamikaze planes. The first squadron, VPB-101, was commissioned 20 July 1945, but WWII ended before its 16 planes were available.
83. mike says:
22 Sep 2015 08:13:15 PM

I am looking for my grandfathers info on the b-17 he flew during the war..his name was lou volka. Cant seem to find anything on the internet. I remember seeing his ship here in ny when i was a kid. I think the ships name was the texas raiders..any help would be appreciated.
84. Jason says:
28 Sep 2015 02:12:13 PM

Just wondered if anybody had any info on the B17 that crashed in Daventry England. I'd be interested if there are any reports on it or even the nickname of the b17 etc. I think the pilot was Finis Harris. Thanks
85. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
28 Sep 2015 03:00:25 PM

Jason (above):
The B-17 that crashed at Daventry appears to be B-17-G-100-BO s/n 43-38973 of the 305th Bomb Group based at Chelveston, no known nickname. Returning from a night leaflet-drop mission to Kassel, the plane struck a support wire for a radio mast which tore off the wing. The plane crashed near Daventry, England killing all 9 on board. Source: http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/12978
86. tj muguff says:
3 Oct 2015 05:03:50 PM

my plane flew 122 missions and i want to hold all are friend close to are hearts
87. On Engliah soil says:
24 Nov 2015 08:54:17 AM

i am currently investigating the crash of "St Louis Woman" near Snetterton on 8th Nov 1943.any information will be treated with due respect.
88. Wes Watson says:
31 Dec 2015 09:43:23 AM

I am looking for any info on my father in-law who passed away on 1/28/84, his name was Raymond R. Minton from King, Wisconsin. He was a B-17 pilot stationed in Chelveston England with the 8th Air Force,366th Bombardment Squadron, 305th Bombardment Group between the spring of 43'till the spring of 45'. I just recently found two Presidential Unit Citations, the first he was awarded the Silver Star and The Distinguished Flying Cross for a mission he flew on 10/14/1943 over Schweinfurt,Germany. He and his crew managed to return to base with 2 motors damaged and the landing gear shot away, on that flight he had the rank of Captain. The second citation was for a mission he flew on 1/2/1945 on bombing of the marshaling yards at Leipzig, Germany. On that flight he received the The Purple Heart, The Presidential Unit Citation and The Air Medal. He was severely wounded on the return flight and with 80 percent of the crew on the casualty list he was forced to ditch his aircraft in the English Channel where he was rescued by the British Air-Sea rescue Squadron 180. He was a Major by this time but that would be his last flight. He spent months in the hospital recovering. I would love to receive any info no matter small. God Bless all the souls who are willing to defend this great country.
89. Anonymous says:
20 Jan 2016 11:16:38 AM

90. Anonymous says:
21 Jan 2016 07:03:49 PM

My Uncle was a radio operator lost on “Mission 183” 20th bomber command, 462nd bomber group the night of 25-26 May during the bombing of Tokyo. I am trying to put together a grouping of what patches he would have had, a set of wings and his medals if anyone can tell me what I need to be looking for?
91. Lou Ann says:
22 Jan 2016 07:40:17 AM

Lucky Luckadoo and Nick Lorch,
Please contact me, my father was the Top Turret Gunner on the Duration +6 and was shot down over Belgium in Alice from Dallas on 17 Aug, 2043. He mad it back with help from Resistance Fighters.
92. Jack Hurov says:
22 Feb 2016 01:23:13 PM

Seeking any information about B17 possibly with 8th AF 306 or 388BGs, "Butch's Baby", serial #42-89795-thanks!
93. jayden says:
3 Mar 2016 05:19:23 PM

can someone help me find the bad boy pecks plane it was in service from 1942 to 44

thanks my email is JSturt589@mairst.vic.edu.au
94. G Jones says:
6 Mar 2016 10:38:09 AM

Looking for anyone with information on my wife's father, Lt. Ray Ashba, of Michigan. He was a bombardier/navigator as I understand it. He enlisted in the Army Air Corps as a Private/cadet in 1943 and saw service in B-17s (I believe) flying from England, probably in 1944-45. He died at home of a heart attack at age 36 when my wife was only 13 yrs old. Thanks.
95. Mary says:
10 Mar 2016 12:26:35 PM

My father-in-law was the pilot who flew the 5 Grand home from Knettishall England back to the United State after the war. Unfortunately, money couldn't be raised to save it, so it was scrapped.
96. Anonymous says:
24 Apr 2016 10:14:15 PM

There were four total B-17s acquired by Israel. One ended up abandoned after mechanical difficulties. It was later reclaimed by the US. The other three served in Israel. Does anyone know what happened to the other three? Did they survive? If so where? TYVM
97. Anonymous says:
30 Apr 2016 12:12:31 AM

Hi Jason,
My grandfather was on the plane that hit the stay of the GEE mast on Borough Hill before crashing at the bottom of the hill.
They were returning from a daytime bombing mission to Kassel, not a night leaflet operation as the other contributer stated. The plane had received lots of flak damage, and with no instruments, was lost in the fog and struggling to keep altitude before connecting with the stay.
I have lots of paperwork and information on this, including crash reports. The crash happened shortly after 3pm.
The plane was very new, so hadn't acquired a nickname.
Rebecca Saywell
98. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
30 Apr 2016 08:38:48 PM

Ms. Saywell:
Thank you for providing better information on the fate of your grandfather’s airplane. I am happy to stand corrected. I tried to retrace my steps that led me to post that the mission was a night time leaflet drop but I cannot find that information again. My earlier source appears to have been updated as well (which is good).
99. Jeff says:
3 May 2016 09:50:35 AM

Interested in anyone who flew with the 379th BG, 524th BS out of Kimbolton England. My father Henry Swanson was Ball Turret Gunner, flew many missions on "Stump Jumper", but flew on many other planes.
100. Anonymous says:
4 May 2016 12:15:40 PM

Hi David,

I expect it is because the 422nd spent some time on leaflet drop runs before resuming bombing missions.
My grandfather and crew had only been with this Bomb Group for two weeks before their crash.
Grandad (S/Sgt Robert L. Burry) first came to England in August 1942 with the 92nd BG/326th BS at Bovingdon. He moved to Alconbury in January '43 and was transferred to the 325th BS of the 92nd BG. The 92nd weren't on operational duty at this time, so grandad with many other 92nd men did a loan stint with the 303rd BG/359th BS at Molesworth. In April, grandad returned to Alconbury and did a few missions with a new crew, the Raymond E. Brim crew. This crew were then transferred to the 482nd BG/813th BS, and became one of the five original Pathfinder crews. They flew the very first Pathfinder mission and both crews flying the second Pathfinder mission received a teletype 'Congratulations' from Winston Churchill!
The crew flew 18 missions together before the pilot and several others finished their tours.
Grandad stayed on. A few weeks later, Alconbury became a training base. Pathfinder crews were spread out to other Bomb Groups. Grandad's crew were kept at Alconbury.
They transferred to the 305th on the 28th November 1944.
One of the men in the crash had only been married a week. My grandfather was his Best Man. He had come back early from his Honeymoon as someone else was sick.
Only one man bailed out of the plane. He later wrote an affidavit concerning the damaged state of the plane before he jumped. The pilot had given all on-board the opportunity to bail as he felt he would not be able to land the plane safely.

I have a piece of the aircraft sitting on my piano courtesy of Sywell Aviation Museum who excavated the crash site two summers ago.

101. Audie says:
6 May 2016 12:17:05 PM

Question: Does anyone know if there is a database containing pictures of all B-17s/crews that served in the War? I'm trying to track down an image of my great uncle's plane and possibly an image of him and his crew. He was shot down over Salmona Italy on 8/27/43. His plane was the "CACTUS CLIPPER" A/C#42-30456 2nd Bomb Group 96th Squadron. His name was Reed T. Chism 39391170. I have found the operations report from the 2nd Bomb Group but haven't found any images. All family heirlooms from the time period have been lost to flooding. Thanks.
102. kenneth Mergner says:
13 May 2016 08:15:18 AM

I bought a WW II vintage picture of a group in front of a B-17 airplane located in a hanger. The back of the picture list the names of everyone in the picture. Would like to forward photos to this site but not sure how to attach scanned files.
103. Randi Chenoweth-Coffman. ' says:
28 May 2016 10:48:36 PM

I'm looking for anyone with information on my Grandpa who was a gunner on a B-17. Is name is Wendell (Duck) Chenoweth. Any info would be greatly appreciated. U can email me at randichenoweth@gmail.com. P: 712-828-1557. Thank You in advance.
104. Anonymous says:
31 May 2016 08:44:23 PM

Any relatives or friends with crew picture of B17 Pride of the Yanks that was water ditched in the North Sea, 20 June 1944. Pilot Joseph Leon Patrick, 7 survivors.zj5
105. NC says:
3 Jun 2016 08:54:07 AM

Trying to find out if anyone has a picture of the plane "Paradise Lost the 2nd" B-17 # 42-29748 that flew over kiel, Germany and went down JUn 13, 1943. There was one survivor, who was he?
338th Squadron 96, Bomb. Group..this is all the info I have.. A FindaGrave memorial for the men is in Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery, Lemay, St. Louis, MO
One person . Henry L. Metzner FAG #46353241
trained with my dad in Fort Benjamin Harrison, IN at the CMTC.His name was in dad's service album. Thank you.
106. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
3 Jun 2016 09:41:16 PM

Sadly, I was not able to find any photographs of B-17F #42-29748. I did confirm that this airplane flew with the 96th BG, 338th BS out of Snetterton-Heath. I could find only one source that listed a name for this aircraft, however, and that source listed the name simply as “Paradise Lost” (not Paradise Lost II). This is not the final word on that but that is what I found. This plane was shot down by German fighters on a raid to Kiel, Germany on 13 Jun 1943 where one-third of the bombers were lost. The loss of this crew is described in Missing Air Crew Report (MACR) #15631 that lists the names of all 10 crewmembers and their fates. S/Sgt Henry L Metzner is listed among those who were killed. There were two survivors who were both taken prisoner and returned to the United States after the war. They were S/Sgt William M Godfrey from California who was held in Luft-Stalag 3 and S/Sgt Lewis C Maxwell from Tennessee who was held at Stalag 17B.
107. Anonymous says:
26 Jul 2016 03:46:23 PM

Does anyone know how many people were killed by b-17 bombers ?
108. PhilW says:
15 Aug 2016 01:32:15 AM

Trying to find info/photo of my grandfather Cpt Lemuel F Wright who was a B-17 bombardier. I believe he may have links to the 325th bomb group and I know he spent time as an instructor with the 11th Combat Crew Replacement Centre at Bovingdon in early 1943 thanks to a magazine article. Any help greatly appreciated.
109. Jim H says:
24 Aug 2016 12:30:04 PM

I have been trying to find the name of my grandfathers plane or better yet a picture. Unfortunately the plane was shot down and my grandfather did not survive so my family has very little information. His name was James Hannaman and what I have found the planes SN was 43-38668. Thank you.
110. Drew Peterson says:
29 Aug 2016 02:27:51 PM

I have info for "On Engliah" about St. Louis Woman. If interested, contact me.

Looking for: On Engliah soil says:
24 Nov 2015 08:54:17 AM

i am currently investigating the crash of "St Louis Woman" near Snetterton on 8th Nov 1943.any information will be treated with due respect.
111. john stanier bsc. says:
3 Sep 2016 09:04:20 AM

I am a docent at the Palm Springs Air museum where we have a flyable B17,I wish to thank all for the invaluable info contained on this site.....
112. JOHN says:
3 Sep 2016 09:58:01 PM

I am currently working as a trainee docent at the Palm Springs Air Museum.. I recently worked with a B17 pilot named Bill Oliver He is now 95 years old and upon showing me a picture of him and his crew, asked if there was any way he could find out if any were still with us .. can any one help ?
113. Matt B says:
18 Sep 2016 09:56:44 AM

My grandfather flew B-17s in WWII he recently passed away and when going through his belongings came across a photograph. It shows a B-17 in flight tail number 230764 no other distinguishing marks or lettering. Is there anyway to see if this was his actual plane or just one he held for all these years because it was a B17
114. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
18 Sep 2016 01:18:46 PM

B-17F 42-30764 was a training aircraft that never left the United States and did most of its service at Amarillo Field in Texas, which was one of the principal bomber training bases. It was sold for scrap in Oct 1945.
115. jean-marie castermans says:
24 Sep 2016 05:43:35 AM

We had a B17 crashed near our village in Belgium. Her number was 337919. Have you any organization in the USA to trace back the heroïc crew of this plane?
116. Gradave says:
2 Oct 2016 12:10:18 PM

I would like to find out the service record of a B-17 pilot from WWII. His name was Leo Lynn and he flew with the 15th AAF at Foggia. The plane was nsmed the "Tough Tiddy" - anyone have any info? Is there a list of B-17 pilots somewhere?
117. Paul Hamilton says:
7 Nov 2016 04:27:03 PM

Today I stumbled across a combat mission photograph at National Archives, it's a B-17 flying over the Tarawa Atoll on 18 Jun 1943 with the tail number 12463. I couldn't find anything with this tail number on the internet. Can anybody assist with this tail number identification? (Squadron, aircraft status, etc.)

Thank you!
118. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
7 Nov 2016 07:34:13 PM

Mr. Hamilton (above);
B-17E with serial number 41-2463 was called “Yankee Doodle” flew with the 19th Bomb Group before transferring to the 394th Bomb Squadron, 5th Bomb Group. This aircraft crashed on take-off at Espiritu Santo, New Hebrides due to mechanical failure, 2 Aug 1943. 2 were killed and the plane was damaged beyond repair. The pilot during the crash was Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek.
119. L. Pritz says:
16 Nov 2016 09:06:33 PM

Can you give me information on my dad's plane? I believe it was a B-17G, 2nd Bomb Group, tail number 46477. I would like to know what happened to it. Also, how can I find the squadron number? He flew this plane from September 1944 to March of 1945 out of Foggia, Italy.
120. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
16 Nov 2016 10:55:36 PM

Mr/Ms Pritz (above);
According to the American Air Museum in Britain (part of the Imperial War Museum), Fortress number 44-6477 was a B-17G delivered from the Long Beach plant in Aug 1944 and was assigned to 862nd Bomb Squadron, 493rd Bomb Group at Debach in Suffolk, England on 8 Sep 1944 but was soon transferred to the 832nd Bomb Squadron, 486th Bomb Group at Sudbury. The plane may have been named “Blue Grass Girl II” and had side numbers of 3R-V. The bomber returned to the US on 8 Jul 1945 and scrapped 22 Nov 1945.
121. L Pritz says:
17 Nov 2016 07:52:12 AM

Thank you for the information but I think I gave you the wrong tail number. It's 46477. He flew this plane out of Amendola, Italy from 9/44 to 3/45. I believe he was in the 2nd bomb group, 20th squadron.
122. Billy Singleton says:
24 Nov 2016 05:43:56 PM

I am trying to locate information on a production B-17 that was built in 1944. The aircraft was named "The Spirit of Lay Dam" by school children in the Lay Dam school near Clanton Alabama. Regretfully, the only information I have is a newspaper clipping in a local newspaper. Any suggestions how I might be able to track and obtain information On this aircraft is appreciated.
123. Jeremy P says:
28 Nov 2016 02:47:40 PM

Im looking for crew pics or any pictures of aircraft 43-38113 e/s 7th bs 34th bg...my Grandpa Clyde E Bible flew bellygunner on this plane 1944-end of WW2. .thank you in advance
124. Monte gordonAnonymous says:
4 Dec 2016 11:06:58 AM

Any out there know of my fathers plane Flak Shack would have been out of England 1944
125. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
4 Dec 2016 12:42:08 PM

Monte Gordon (above):
Dave Osborne’s excellent B-17 Fortress Master Log lists two B-17s named Flak Shack: B-17F s/n 42-30305 of the 100th Bomb Group based at Thorpe Abbotts (another source lists the name as Flak Schack) and B-17G s/n 43-37619 of the 306th Bomb Group based at Thurleigh (name listed as Flack Shack). 42-30305 crashed shortly after take-off on a practice mission on 16 Jul 1943 with 7 killed and 3 injured. 43-37619 was lost to flak on the mission to Oranienburg, Germany on 10 Apr 1945 with 1 killed, 4 POW, and 4 evaded (MACR 13878 mistakenly lists the s/n as 42-37619).
126. Andy Otterbein says:
7 Dec 2016 05:35:29 AM

Looking for info on aircraft nose number 2847
127. Thomas fritz says:
7 Dec 2016 10:29:15 PM

Any info about my uncle, James Blain Crozier, navigater in B17 ARmy Air Corp, on loan to RAF out of England to attack Germany. Any info, Bomb group,etc.
128. Andy Otterbein says:
8 Dec 2016 05:00:42 AM

I'm looking for info on a B17. Nose number 2847. I don't have a tail number or aircraft nickname.
129. craig myhre says:
8 Dec 2016 06:58:21 PM

I am looking for any information on B17 #42-31913 and its crew. It was of the 8th AAF, 390th Bomb Group, 571st Bomb Sq. It was shot down May 8, 1944 over Germany. The plane nicknamed "Shy Ann". 5 crew were POW, 5 were killed. Thank you
130. David E Nelson says:
18 Dec 2016 12:49:26 PM

42-31913 Del Cheyenne 4/1/44; Kearney 13/1/44; Grenier 25/1/44; *** 571BS/390BG [FC-E] Framlingham 3/2/44 ETO-ITIS; MIA Berlin [24m] 8/5/44 w/Tom Hammond, cp-Bill Hately, n-Lionel Israel, b-Orlando Merrill, ettg-Carl Fields (5POW); ro-Ernie Quayle, btg-Alvin Smith, wg-Chas Snideman, wg-Lou Luedte, tg-Phil Maitner (5KIA); e/a KOd #1 and #2, along with electrics, cr Hademsdorf, 22 miles N of Hanover, Ger. MACR 4584. SHY ANN.
131. Paul Bernacchio says:
28 Dec 2016 09:10:46 AM

My Uncle John Reilly was a turret ball gunner on a B-17 that was on the mission to bomb Regensberg. His plane took on flak and was damaged enough for the commander to give the order to abandon ship. One tail gunner jumped and got his chute caught on the tail and upon seeing him bouncing back and forth slamming against the plane the other gunners refused to jump and went down with the plane. This was reported in Martin Middlebrooks's book on the Regensberg/Schweinfurt Missions. i would love to find out the name and number of his plane.
132. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
28 Dec 2016 01:58:27 PM

Mr. Bernacchio (above):
I tried to send you an email in response to your comment but the address you provided came back as “Undeliverable-Account Does Not Exist.” Contact me at http://ww2db.com/david.stubblebine and I will re-send that email. Thanks.
133. William Joseph Mode says:
22 Feb 2017 07:28:23 AM

I would like to find more information on my great uncle, Robert Bowers, who was a Tail Gunner with the 340th Bomb Squadron, 97th Bomb Group, Army Air Force. He was born and raised in Knoxville, Tennessee.

I have a picture of his crew with the following names:
Back row: Unknown, Billy Rose-Co-Pilot (KY?) Unknown Bombardier (TX) Albert G. Betette-Navigator (CA) Sam Constantine-Pilot (NY) William Robert Bowers-Tail Gunner (TN) Names provided by Albert Betette’s son.

Would like to hear from others who may have known these gentlemen.
134. Roy A BOWERS says:
23 Feb 2017 01:10:13 AM

My Dad Roy J Bowers B-17 (tail gunner)was shot down over Yugoslavia in 1944. Rescued by the Chetniks. One of "The Forgotten 500". I am searching for his squadron number, crew member names, and aircraft name.
135. Anonymous says:
2 Mar 2017 01:43:47 PM

I am searching for more information about my grandfather, Arthur Dietrich, who served in the 701 Bomb Group 612 Squadron Eighth Air force. Peterborough England. I am interested in finding out about his crew members and missions. Thank you.
136. Mikey says:
19 Mar 2017 12:32:02 PM

Saw an RIP reference in a Lincolnshire village for B17 bomber 42-97479. Can anyone shed any light on this plane?
137. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
19 Mar 2017 02:26:53 PM

Mikey (above):
B-17G 42-97479 “Belle of Liberty” with the 92nd Bomb Group crashed near East Kirkby, Lincolnshire 30 Dec 1944 with 9 KIA. The American Air Museum in Britain has a pretty good page on this aircraft that includes some crash-site photos: http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/10554.
138. Mikey says:
20 Mar 2017 09:52:15 AM

Thank you David Stubblebine for your reply. As I said we found a wreath with an 'RIP Never Forgotten' message by the roadside near the village of Hareby, Lincolnshire put there by a local resident and we were intrigued as the history. I followed up your link and am very grateful for the information.
139. Gerry Kucherich says:
21 Mar 2017 12:44:41 PM

Can anyone please help me with any info on the B-17 *Sky Scrapper* #42-39958. Thank you!
140. Wendi says:
18 Apr 2017 10:50:08 AM

Searching for some information on the B-17G "Star Eyes" #42-39933 who was shut down on 23rd of march 1944 above Germany with destination Brunswick. One of the crew members was Tec Sgt Lawrence A. Koon, which grave i've adopted.
Thanks in advance !!
141. Thomas Jones says:
19 Apr 2017 11:09:18 AM

I'm looking for information on my uncle who passed away many years ago. He flew in bombing missions in Europe I believe his plane was named "Shoot Luke"His name was Floyd Mabee. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
142. Anonymous says:
22 Apr 2017 12:19:37 PM

A friend gave me a picture of a B-17 dropping bombs. On the fuselage are the letters: XK On the top of the tail:G In the middle of the tail: 338174 On the bottom of the tail: D or rectangle looking like a D. Appreciate any help.
143. Anita Lee says:
22 Apr 2017 05:42:23 PM

Looking for any info Swing shift baby, b17 from ww2. My uncle was navigator. His son has posted much info, I am trying to help find old photos.
144. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
22 Apr 2017 08:36:51 PM

To Anonymous (above):
The tail number is a direct derivative of the aircraft’s serial number: add a 4 to the front of the tail number and you get the serial number, in this case 43-38174. The 43 means the airplane was part of an order approved in 1943 and, according to Dave Osborne’s most authoritative B-17 Master Log, this plane was a B-17G model that was delivered to the Army in Apr 1944. It was initially assigned to the 401st Bomb Group at Deenethorpe in Northamptonshire, England. But the 401st’s Tail Code was the Triangle-S rather than the Triangle-G in your photo (you did not say the G was within a triangle but I bet it was). Also, the squadrons in the 401st had Fuselage Codes SC, IN, IW, or IY rather than XK. So it would seem the aircraft in your photo was transferred out of the 401st at some point. Tail Code Triangle-G was for the 305th Bomb Group and Fuselage Code XK was for the 365th Bomb Squadron, which was part of the 305thBG, stationed at Chelveston, also in Northamptonshire. This aircraft survived the war scrapped or sold as surplus in June 1945.
145. Gene Maurer says:
3 May 2017 08:59:15 PM

My father flew 28 combat missions over occupied Europe from May 27th, 1944 to September 27th , 1944 with the 364th Bombardment Sguadron (H) AAF. I'm trying to find out who he flew with and the base he was assigned to. Any information will be appreciated.
146. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
3 May 2017 10:11:21 PM

Gene Maurer (above):
The 364th Bomb Squadron was part of the 305th Bomb Group and flew from RAF Chelveston in Northamptonshire during the dates you listed. I could find no crew lists for them, however. You can request a copy of your father’s service record from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) and you may be able to get copies of the Bomb Group’s crew lists from NARA as well. See http://ww2db.com/faq/#3
147. Anthony spector says:
13 May 2017 10:04:26 PM

My uncle died bailout on 30 dec 1944 retuning to England. Buddy spector from Philly. Does anyone know. 390th or 490th bomb group
B17. 10th mission. I am Anthony Spector currently in Harrisburg, pa. Call me if you know others in bomb group or talk. 303 981 0726 cell
148. Anonymous says:
30 May 2017 09:31:42 AM

I would like more information on a Flying Fortress that went down in the North Atlantic around June 29, 1943.
149. John Mendez says:
13 Jun 2017 08:40:23 AM

I have 2 group photos of a B-17 crew
That I would like to identify. The name on the nose of the aircraft is "WARHORSE"...thank you.
150. findmethatbomber says:
5 Jul 2017 11:30:42 AM

any info on how to track down a B-17 when my great grandpa came back from WWII he had no clue what happened to his B-17G
151. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
6 Jul 2017 09:58:59 AM

To 'findmethatbomber' (above):
To track down your great grandfather's B-17G you would need the aircraft’s serial number. This is the same as the tail number (painted on the tail) except that all B-17 serial numbers started with a 4 and all tail numbers omitted that 4. Sometimes an aircraft can be traced through its name but this is far more problematic. Armed with the serial number, Dave Osborne has put together a B-17 Master Log that is a truly remarkable work and will list the disposition of the aircraft. If you do not have the serial number, getting it may require scouring the squadron records, which are not all online and not centralized except as paper pages at the National Archives.

Also, the idea of 'his' airplane is misleading. Crews stuck together and were usually identified by the pilot's name but there were more crews than aircraft so they flew in different airplanes every flight. Crews often had a favorite or primary airplane but there were frequent assignments to different planes.
152. Michael Wehr says:
10 Jul 2017 08:02:07 AM

Can anyone tell me what happened to the b17 called "the bouncing baby" that my grandfather was the tail gunner on in wwii
153. Anonymous says:
18 Jul 2017 10:52:45 AM

Looking for a group picture of my Dad. He was a bombardier on B-17s,Fifth Down Under,Ken's Men 43rd bombardment group in the Pacific. Did skip bombing in Battle of Bismark. wanted a picture of him and his crew.
154. Catherine Zitis says:
19 Jul 2017 05:13:48 PM

Any information on
My father John Zitis a bombardier on B17 during WW2
155. Gabriel says:
23 Jul 2017 07:17:12 AM

Can anyone tell me, how many rivets were used, in a B-17's structure ??
156. Jon Crane says:
23 Jul 2017 07:47:22 PM

My grandfather was a Ground Crew member from 1942-1945 in Thurleigh. He passed away this week and though I have some information I am looking for more on a B17 named Miss America. If anyone can assist it would be greatly appreciated. His name was Robert E Crane
157. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
23 Jul 2017 09:11:10 PM

Jon Crane (above):
According to Dave Osborne’s excellent B-17 Fortress Master Log, there were two B-17s named “Miss America” but only one assigned to the 306th Bomb Group at Thurleigh. That was B-17G 42-97896. I have no combat records for this aircraft but the 306th BG was the longest serving B-17 group in Britain during the war and saw lots of action. The novel and film Twelve O’Clock High were based on this group.
26 Jul 2017 09:08:57 PM

My Dad was a ball gunner on the Good Ole Yank! they were shot down over Germany. Broke in half. 8 were Killed
He was called Red. Does anyone have info.
159. James Linsky says:
31 Jul 2017 10:37:36 PM

My father, William C Linsky was in a ground crew of a B17 during WW2 in 8th Army Air Corp, 91st Bomb Group (Triangle A) in England. Believe I saw him in online photo of Delta Rebel No. 2 bomber. Do you have add'l info on him?
160. Commenter identity confirmed Alan Chanter says:
18 Aug 2017 03:32:47 AM

B-17G Flying Fortress ‘Grand Ole Yank’ (42-102673) was reportedly operated by the 571st Bomb Squadron of the 390th Bombardment Group “Wittan’s Wallopers”, part of the 13th Combat Wing of the 3rd Air Division, US Eighth Air Force. Based at Framlingham (Parham), then known as US Air Station 153, she failed to return from a mission to Goerne in Germany on the 14th of January, 1945. Although the airfield closed in the early 1960s a local preservation group has restored the control tower and established a Bomb Group Memorial Museum which opened in 1981. The museum and the site of the airfield is best gained from the A12 past Wickham Market; turning off to Marlesford, then following the museum signs.
161. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
18 Aug 2017 09:42:35 AM

Actually, the American Air Museum in Britain website has a very good photo of this aircraft (42-102673) that shows the name painted on the nose as ‘Good-O Yank.’ I know the name shows up in some logs and databases with variations of this, but a 1944 photograph that shows both the aircraft name and serial number in one image is pretty solid evidence.
162. Commenter identity confirmed Alan Chanter says:
19 Aug 2017 01:16:39 AM

I wondered how long it would take before someone spotted my Typo - Well done David.
163. Sue says:
4 Sep 2017 03:03:06 AM

B-17G Crashed here in Kilkenny Ireland in 1944. How would I go about finding its 'name'. Its number was 42-31507
Best Regards Sue
164. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
6 Sep 2017 09:52:19 AM

To Sue (above):
B-17G 42-31507 was destroyed before it received a name. This aircraft had no name.
165. Monte says:
9 Oct 2017 08:08:35 AM

Wanted to know how to go about finding info on a B-17 that was shot down over Germany? Wife's grandfather was a POW and her dad said they named the plane the Sylvia.
166. Charles Spada says:
19 Oct 2017 04:57:48 PM

Looking for information on my cousin Eugene Morris a tail gunner lost in action over Western Europe during WW-2
167. Robert Deming says:
24 Oct 2017 09:38:34 AM

My Dad was a B-17 navigator in 1945 stationed in the southeast of England. His records are not available as they were destroyed in a fire in 1974. He told me the number of his unit one time, but I don't remember it exactly. The aircraft had the name "Cornhusker" on the side, as the pilot was from Nebraska. I want to visit the area when I am in England next year. Is there a way to find out more? I have seen a photo and may be able to lay my hands on it - my father and some people from the nearby village in front of their house. he kept up with that family and visited them a few times both in England and in the Bahamas, where one of them eventually lived.
168. Drew E. Volz says:
31 Oct 2017 08:35:43 AM

Requesting info on B!& #42-31191 which was lost on its first mission (date unknown) but sometime in early 1944.
The plane ditched off the coast of France on its first mission and my father, Wilbur E Volz, managed to escape with two other crew members and fought with the French underground until returned to England in Sep 1944.
169. Anonymous says:
2 Nov 2017 12:30:00 AM

my dad flew 35 missions with
the 5 grand - at the end of the war - it ended when he was on his way home.
170. Phil DiMaggio says:
18 Nov 2017 08:56:21 AM

My uncle, Victor Cropis was a ball turret gunner on B17F tail number 066 in 1942 & 43. He flew 53 missions. I'm looking for any information on the plane he flew in. I have a photo of him next to his ball turret with the name Suger & Spice painted on the turret.
171. Linda Stevens says:
19 Nov 2017 11:32:19 AM

I have "loading lists" that give the date of the mission, the crew names, no tail ID and says NO LOADING LIST AVAILABLE. What does NO LOADING LIST AVAILABLE mean? Thank you.
172. Graminsky says:
28 Nov 2017 05:08:58 PM

Looking to see what happened to my father. He was in one of the bombers in 1945-1946
173. Matt says:
13 Dec 2017 11:41:18 AM

Any information on the Boise Belle (44-6513)? or where I can find more info. Shot down over Germany on 4 April 1945. Great-uncle was copilot.

Email msedes18@gmail.com if you have any leads!

174. Craig smith says:
23 Dec 2017 01:05:56 PM

I'm looking for information on B17 #42-38041 "hells angels ii" from the 303rd BG that collided with another B17.crash site is a few miles away from where i live.I've found a picture of the crew and been told by someone that I look a bit like one of them.I'm hoping to have someone tell me who each guy is in the photo in question.hope there is someone that can help.thank you.
175. Craig smith says:
23 Dec 2017 01:05:56 PM

I'm looking for information on B17 #42-38041 "hells angels ii" from the 303rd BG that collided with another B17.crash site is a few miles away from where i live.I've found a picture of the crew and been told by someone that I look a bit like one of them.I'm hoping to have someone tell me who each guy is in the photo in question.hope there is someone that can help.thank you.
176. MD \"Doc\" Beck says:
9 Jan 2018 09:22:08 AM

My father, TSgt GeoHBeck, flight engineer, served with the 305bg/422bs in Project Casey Jones. This was the areiel mapping of Europe, some N Africa, some Scandinavia and some islands. Is there anybody out there that was part of the actual flying and photographing with this Project?Or at least has a good knowledge of the day to day events? Are there recorded missions, where they were assigned, who were the crew members on that mission. What was the number and name of the aircraft? My father told me that on two of his missions, they ran out of gas. Had to bailout on one of them. Had to ditch in the Mediterranean the other. Are there records of events like this somewhere? It lasted from around June 1945 thru Oct 1946.
I am writing a fictional story about this Project and would like to incorporate some general facts and knowledge. Again any information, no matter how small is important. Thank you,
177. Bunny says:
28 Jan 2018 11:42:52 AM

My father, Ralph Garson, was a navigator in the 398th bomb group, 600 squadron out of Northumstead. Plane went down on 5/30/44 (42-102498, pilot Thompson) and he was a POW at Stalag Luft 3. Read the MACR report and visited some general websites and seeking any additional information. Thank you.
178. Anonymous says:
1 Feb 2018 01:36:39 PM

179. Brady Land says:
4 Feb 2018 11:59:13 AM

My mothers, 1st husband Ray Kurtz form Squadron 69
180. Penny Mankins says:
1 May 2018 06:47:10 PM

I am trying to find out more info on my dad’s plane.
I have a pic of him in front of a plane named “Faye Day”. Any and all information is greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
181. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
1 May 2018 10:51:47 PM

Penny Mankins (above):
Dave Osborne’s excellent B-17 Fortress Master Log lists no plane named “Faye Day” but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. Plane naming customs were pretty loose and names were often unrecorded. To learn more about the plane, more starting information is required, like aircraft serial number, tail number (same thing, really), squadron or group number, or where stationed. Crews did not always fly the same planes either but usually flew with the same crew which were identified by pilot name so knowing that would be a good clue too. It would also be worth it to request a copy of his service record from the National Archives. See https://ww2db.com/faq/#3.
182. Patricia Larson says:
6 May 2018 11:56:20 AM

My father flew missions over Germany from England on a B17 named Little Rebel or Littlest Rebel. I believe he was in Col. Bostoms Flying Circus, my father's name aS Keith Larson. Thank you for any and all info I can get.
183. Regena says:
18 May 2018 06:40:53 PM

My grandfather was a ball turret gunner on a B17 nicknamed Georgia Peach. He was in the 5th Air Force 65th squadron 43rd bomb group. I have a picture of him and his crew but am unable to find any information. Crew members names were Lt Hargrove, Captain Cromer, Lt Gish, Lt Desmano, Winnich, Nanashs, Howell, Rush and my grandfather Milton K Bass. I think they flew missions out of New Guinea maybe? I’m looking for any information you may find. My grandfather is 95 and his health is failing. I was able to find his twin brothers ( T/Sgt Paul L Bass) information, he was on the Pennsylvania Polka and the plane was shot down. No survivors or the plane were ever found from my understanding.
184. Erik says:
28 May 2018 01:50:52 PM

looking for any information on tail # 7784 b-17 flown by george F Wilson over france July 8 1944
185. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
28 May 2018 07:15:56 PM

Erik (above):
The B-17G piloted by 2Lt George F Wilson, Jr. and lost over the French coast 8 Jul 1944 appears to have had serial number 42-102445, which means it had tail number 2102445. The plane flew with 601st Bomb Squadron, 398th Bomb Group out of Nuthampstead. The plane was lost on a raid to bomb V-1 launch sites. All crew members bailed out and survived, except Lt Wilson who was killed outright by a direct flak hit and went down with the aircraft. See Missing Air Crew Report (MACR) 7217.
186. Richard Frohm says:
29 Jun 2018 03:37:10 PM

I am doing research on my father in law. His B-17 was shot down 11/30/1944 on a raid to Meesrburg Germany Oil Production plant.

BOMBER # 43-38725

Pilot Lt. Raymond Buthe

Co-Pilot Charles Norris.

I am looking for a KIA (Waist Gunner) Airmen was not listed in the Missing Action Report. There were nine crew members listed. Three POW's which included my father in law Sgt. John Flynn

Navigator: Marvin Brawer (KIA)

Bombardier: Curtis Chapman (POW)

Radio man: Sgt. Anthony Demarco (KIA)

Waist Gunner: Sgt. John Lafferty (POW)

Ball Turret: Sgt. Charles Agnatovich (KIA)

Tail Gunner: Ralph Corning (KIA)

If anyone knows where I could find a crew list for their 11/30/1944 mission. I could find the name of the unlisted crewman. I want recognize him with his crew.

Any help is appreciated.

187. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
29 Jun 2018 10:06:54 PM

Richard (above):
For reasons stated in my separate email to you, I believe it is FAR more likely this aircraft had a 9-man crew than it is that a whole person was overlooked in the records. 9-man B-17 crews were not uncommon.
188. Anonymous says:
14 Jul 2018 05:45:42 PM

83 Mike Says 22 Sep 2015 08:13:15 pm
Mentioned Lou Volka:
Did he work @ Grumman mid 60s and flew for the C Airforce, I think the name has been updated ? Saw him also @ Republic Airport with plane
189. Anonymous says:
29 Aug 2018 08:33:42 AM

My father flew on the B17 during WWII. How can I find out which one he flee on? I have a copy of his DD-214.
190. Barb says:
4 Sep 2018 12:45:34 PM

My uncle was a top turret gunner on the Esky and also on the Bouncing Belle (which went down on his third mission). Both were B17 bombers. How can I find if those 2 planes have possibly been preserved anywhere? Thank you.
191. Anonymous says:
22 Oct 2018 01:16:14 PM

My Dad and crew was shot down in German occupied Poland. He spent apx. 90 days there until the war ended. Where the prison camps that the B-17 flyers taken in Poland.
192. Anonymous says:
25 Oct 2018 09:52:58 AM

Many of the B17 crew would fly in more than one plane. Possibly because of repairs and maintenance. My father was a navigator with the 99th Bomb Group 347tg Squadron. He actually had 12 planes he had time in, 2 of those each had 10 missions apiece, Lovely Ladies and Lil’ Abner. He completed 35 missions in all as a navigator. I am looking for photos of the Lovely Ladies and Lil’ Abner.
193. Sandra A Hufford says:
31 Oct 2018 09:06:03 AM

looking for the original Piccadilly Lily that was shot down. I find pictures of the Piccadilly Lily II but not the original.
194. Candace Karraker says:
8 Nov 2018 12:30:45 PM

My dad was ROM Gunner, Battle of Normandy, Feb 1944 to Aug 1944. His records show Squadron B 3508 AAF BU out of Traux Field, WI. He passed away in 1986 and the squadron picture was lost. I am trying to find a squadron picture that I remember seeing when I was a child. Also, my research says he was in the 303rd Bomb Group, 360th Bomb Squadron. I don't how the Squadron 3508 on his records translate to 303rd/360th. Hoping someone can help please.
195. Maureen Ann Hoarty says:
12 Nov 2018 07:12:35 AM

Trying to find out any additional info on flying fortress # 41-2536. My 19 year old Uncle Gerald Shaughnessy was KIA in this plane around November 21, 1942
196. Louis Piazza says:
23 Nov 2018 12:00:42 PM

Does anyone know of, have photographs or memories of my uncle Louis D'Ambrosi?
He was a B-17 gunner and was shot down over Bari, Italy, on his 25th mission.
Thank You,
197. Kent Jordan says:
2 Dec 2018 11:13:30 AM

Harold Lane Jordan was my uncle. His first plane was Piccadilly Circus (B 17). He flew other planes and this one was shot down later in the war. He flew his 50 missions and went home. Just looking for more information on him and his group, He was on the Schweinfurt raids. He died in July of 93.
198. Greg Zenner says:
23 Dec 2018 04:08:44 PM

I'm looking for more info about my grandfather. His name was Merle Bande and he was a waist gunner on a b17 flying fortress... Not sure but I think the aircraft's name was Devils mate and he was stationed in England... Can anyone help me find our more ?
199. Louis Flege says:
29 Dec 2018 09:49:30 PM

My grandfather, Captain Andrew Eugene Flege, flew B-17's and was also a trainer for be pilots during WWII. Any records of his service would be greatly appreciated. My family knows very little about his military career, as he died very young.
200. John says:
8 Jan 2019 12:50:32 PM

My uncle James Delang from Buffalo, NY was part of a crew on a B17. He flew over 13 missions over Germany. Can anyone help me locate information about him?
201. John says:
8 Jan 2019 03:15:23 PM

Just found out from my Aunt (age 92) that my uncle Jim Delang flew in 50 missions instead of 13 like I thought
202. Paul F Kisak says:
22 Jan 2019 12:19:09 PM

Im looking for crew members or family members that can identify crew members of B-17 " Big Stuff " of 15th USAAF, 20th Bomb Squadron, 2nd Bomb Group. Will supply photos. To be used for documentary.
203. Jody says:
18 Feb 2019 11:09:03 AM

My uncle was a waist gunner on the B17 Raggedy Ann they were shot down and held as POWS in Stalag Luft 17B. I am trying find any information about the B17 or any existing photos of the B17 or any crew members.
204. Rosemarie Quinn says:
25 Mar 2019 10:00:04 AM

need info Fredrick Marshall Quinn B-17's & B-29'S WW11
205. Anonymous says:
11 Apr 2019 02:41:52 AM

Anyone carrying out research on the 8th AAF operating out of England in WW2 will most likely find what they are looking for if they visit americanairmuseum.com who have a vast archive of information.
206. Ron La Rocco says:
25 May 2019 03:13:15 PM

My dad, Nicholas L. La Rocco (US Air Force MSGT, ret.) was a radio operator/side gunner on a B-17 during WWII. He completed 25 missions. We will be celebrating his 101st Birthday on May 26, 2019 with him in Naples,FL...a total of five generations of the La Rocco family will be there.
207. Code Red says:
26 May 2019 02:25:51 PM

Lt. Sam Sugg over Europe navigator "code red".
208. Mark A Williams says:
4 Jun 2019 11:36:15 PM

could anyone help me with information on the 96 bomb group h.
209. Thomas lemmo says:
9 Jun 2019 11:19:04 AM

My Dad, John (Jack) Lemmo,
Was in England in the 8th Air Force,
Anybody remember him?
210. Anonymous says:
12 Jun 2019 10:54:08 AM

My dad, Paul Hubble, was a navigator on the Donna Lou II. We have a certificate “One Lucky Bastard” for having flown 25 missions over Germany. Any photos?
211. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
12 Jun 2019 08:21:22 PM

Anonymous (above):
Sorry, I am not aware of any photos of the B-17 Donna Lou II. Dave Osborne’s Fortress Master Log only lists one B-17 with the name Donna Lou II, B-17F 42-30439 that flew with the 94th Bomb Group, 410th Bomb Squadron out of Bury St Edmunds (Rougham) with side markings GL-S. It was received at Bury St Edmunds 9 Jul 1943 and was declared war weary 31 May 1945 and salvaged (meaning it was stripped for parts and scrapped).
212. Anonymous says:
13 Jun 2019 01:19:44 PM

Thank you David. We didn’t even know which bomber group or squadron he might have been in. This helps a lot. 9h6
213. Steve says:
20 Jun 2019 09:12:06 AM

A friend of our family was killed when his B-17 was shot down in France on Dec 20, 1942. he was with the 306th BG and 367 SQ, flying B-17 42-5071, piloted by 1lt Danton J. Nygaard. Is there any resource that can provide info on how many missions that specific B-17 flew? And, if that plane had a name...thank you!
214. Anonymous says:
24 Jun 2019 09:44:10 PM

Looking for some information on a b17 f called axis nightmare .i have a picture but no other information .
215. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
25 Jun 2019 02:27:56 PM

Anonymous (above):
Going on nothing but an aircraft name can be a tough search since the naming of aircraft was a pretty casual affair. Names changed often and often went unrecorded. That said, Dave Osborne’s excellent B-17 Master Log lists no B-17 with the name “Axis Nightmare” – there might have been one, it just isn’t listed in the log. There is a restored B-25 flying today with that name and RAF markings, owned by the TriState Warbird Museum in Ohio. There was also a B-24D with this name that was lost over China in Feb 1945. But I could not find a record of a B-17 with this name.
216. Brent Adelmann says:
27 Jun 2019 08:48:01 PM

My grandpa was Nicholas J. Adelmann, a B-17 Ball turret gunner with the 463rd Bombardment Group, 773rd airlift sqadron. I have a crew picture that shows 2767 on the side of the aircraft. How can I find more information on the plane and it's crew? Thanks
217. B. Upham says:
29 Aug 2019 11:34:34 AM

Richard Darl Upham
Flight Engineer/Top Turret Gunner
"Lucky Bastard" Certificate
Eighth AAF
June 6th - October 15?, 1944
Pilots - Maehr & Hallon
218. Judy Boucher Adams says:
3 Oct 2019 01:03:32 AM

My father Roger H Boucher flew in the war. I remember him telling me stories of the service.
I have one of the scarves that my father had mad out of his parachute when he was ready to leave the service.
It’s embroidered with, Italy 1944, Smilen Jacqueline”
Please contact me if you have any information!
Thank you!
219. roy moody jr says:
26 Oct 2019 11:57:29 AM

my father roy moody sr. waist gunner on board"hard to get". all info request.
220. Steve Louis Trivoli says:
24 Dec 2019 07:27:51 PM

My father only flew practice missions over Texas in a B-17 when WW 2 ended. I am trying to find out exactly what plane he flew in. I think he was a bottom turret gunner. Stephen Ernest Trivoli. Please advise. Thanks!
221. Garth says:
18 Jan 2020 02:36:27 PM

My uncle (my mother's brother), was on a bomber crew that was shot down in China. His name was O'Neil Linford. His remains were later returned to Idaho for burial. Any information on his squadron or his specific missions for my family history would be appreciated.
222. Metzger says:
8 Feb 2020 07:34:28 PM

William E. Metzger, co-pilot, was it the Lade Janet or the Lady Jeanette. He avoided hitting a village in Germany and was given the CMoH....
223. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
9 Feb 2020 08:05:19 PM

Rick (above):
The very authoritative B-17 Master Log by Dave Osborne lists B-17G #42-97904 as “Lady Jeanette (Janet).” Several other sources copy the bulk of Osborne’s entry for this plane without copying the “Janet” reference. His parenthetical “Janet” appears to be his attempt to translate the French name Jeanette rather than the name of the aircraft. All other sources list the aircraft’s name only as “Lady Jeanette.” There is an authoritative and detailed description of the loss of this aircraft at: https://www.argunners.com/secret-world-war-ii-b-17-lady-jeannette/
224. Connie Bailey says:
1 Mar 2020 06:33:28 PM

My Dad was the Engineer/Top Turret Gunner on Magnificent Malfunction that was shot down over the Po River April 20, 1945. I’ve connected with 2 crew members family but would love to contact others.
225. Anonymous says:
7 Mar 2020 12:25:00 PM

Any information about B17 bomber pilot Charles W Morgan, shot down in early 1944, supposedly over the North Sea. Most appreciated.
226. Anonymous says:
23 Mar 2020 08:15:19 AM

My father-in-law was a tail gunner on the B-17 'Vie's Guys' which was shot down over Germany. Any information about the crew, the airplane or nose art would be appreciated. Thanks, Pat ...
227. Ronald D Demery says:
29 Mar 2020 02:13:23 PM

Am living in a Veterans home in MO with 103 yr old WW2 B17 pilot Philip Field. He says he flew 30 missions over Europe. Would appreciate any info. His friend Ron (VN vet)
228. Jon Anderson says:
5 Apr 2020 03:58:25 PM

Any info about "ole Tex" It was shot down in April,1944
229. Richard Barringer says:
12 Apr 2020 01:26:58 PM

Trying to find information on my uncle, Audis Barringer. He was a pilot in the B-17s and I do know that he participated on May 1, 1945 in Operation CHOWHOUND over Holland. His plane's tail # was 466611, but no plane name. want to know what else the plane was involved in and what the plane was named. Thank you
230. Melissa Frakes Petty says:
29 Apr 2020 12:35:43 PM

My dad was a B17 pilot based out of England. He flew 11 missions over Europe. His name was Sherman Fayne Frakes. Is there a places to get more info, i.e. tail number, etc? Thank you in advance.
231. David says:
1 May 2020 11:19:25 AM

Dear Sir,
I am writing to you for two questions, the first concerns the bombing of March 4, 1944 in Europe on the city of Berlin, The second concerns the self-help research groups or individuals who can help me in your archives.
I'm looking for a group of B-17 that have turned around over Germany and taken over the direction of England. When March 4, 1944 during the operation of the 8Th AAF Ops: Big Berlin.
In these planes I am looking for a group of aircraft between 7 and 10 loaded with 500lbs bombs and another group loading with incendiary bombs. Its planes dropped their bombs between Namur and Charleroi in Belgium between 12:30 pm and 12:40 pm. Belgian/German time, therefore 1:30 p.m. and 1:40 p.m. UK time. This bombing was not a target of opportunity, but to lighten the planes due to snow and ice due to bad weather.
I am looking for any information and after report concerning this bombing in Belgium
Do you have volunteer teams or historian groups or CAP or Military yonger soldier who could do the research for me. Having resumed studies in Montreal, I cannot get around easily. Especially since with the Covid-19 everything is postponed.
Thank you so much

232. Barry says:
16 May 2020 02:29:31 PM

Valmore A. Matte, my grandpa, has pics of B17 called Reel McCoy. I cant find any records. Please help
233. Tim ringor says:
17 May 2020 10:53:00 AM

I'm trying to find out about my grandfather who was a B-17 bomber pilot stationed in England from 1943 to 1946. He was also part of the Berlin airlift. Just trying to find out his tail number and the name of the plane he flew. I know he flew over 25 missions while he was there. His name was everitte Riggs
234. Patt Bilow says:
28 Jun 2020 09:19:25 AM

James E. rogers
Plane crash 9/25/1943
I only find one article about this crash. James was husband of my Aunt Gwyn (she was killed by drunk driver in 1962)

Might anyone have additional info


235. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
28 Jun 2020 07:05:25 PM

Patt Bilow (above):
I was able to find very little more than what is in the article you cited. The aircraft was a B-17F with serial #42-30530. There was an accident report filed but I cannot access it. Besides this, the rest of the records I could find offer fewer details than the article.
236. Anonymous says:
5 Jul 2020 01:00:43 PM

Looking for info on B-17 nicknamed “the natural”. No other info available. Literally asking for a friend. 😀
237. Anonymous says:
28 Jul 2020 09:31:54 PM

My Great Grandpa flew over 50 solo missions during WW II in a B-17. His name was Roy Dierickx. He began combat flying in June of 1944. I’m trying to collect as much info as a can so I can surprise my grandma and her five siblings. Any information would be dearly appreciated.
238. Molly Lee Graham says:
8 Aug 2020 09:10:00 PM

information re my dad co-pilot on the "we'll come back" B-17 his name is Lee R. Graham - co-pilot. Earned distinguished flying cross for taking over for wounded/killed pilot, I believe over Germany. estimated time frame approx. 1943-45.
239. Augustine Vasquez says:
18 Aug 2020 07:08:13 PM

My grandfather, Augustine B Vasquez, was on a b17 during ww2. I have several pictures of him from the war with several b17s in the photo. The only picture where I can clear see the nose painting is the Yankee Dill’er. Can anyone provide or direct me to information on my grandfather. Thank you.
240. Bob Brown says:
6 Sep 2020 03:49:51 PM

Names of. B 17 planes that my dad Harry s. Brown turret gunner flew in.
241. TM says:
9 Sep 2020 12:33:21 AM

I'm trying to find the answer to two questions:

1) How many B-17 crewmen were lost during WWII?

2) What was the total tonnage of bombs dropped by B-17s during WWII?

If you can help I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
242. Tina M Schaeffer says:
12 Dec 2020 04:59:08 PM

I have a picture of my grandfather marked 1944 England he was part of a 10 man crew on a B17. I'd like to find out more info and if anyone else recognizes there relatives.
243. Anonymous says:
19 Dec 2020 02:09:09 PM

My father was on a crew of a B17 stationed in England 1944...plane was shot down over Germany and he was a POW 14 months till war ended.
244. Terry says:
28 Dec 2020 10:26:14 AM

My father-in-law's B-17 was built at the Lockheed Vega facility in Long Beach. What was the average construction time for a B-17? Where did they go immediately after leaving the factory, prior to going to England?
245. pete jude says:
1 Jan 2021 06:38:33 AM

hi, i wonder if there is anyone out there who can help me?i have an autograph book with a lot of names ALL POWS in ww2 but only have a first name Jack and a photo of a b17 43-30074 little audrey and what looks like ground crew, can anyone help?? thanks a lot as with this was a purple heart
246. Anonymous says:
2 Feb 2021 01:12:21 PM

My father, who lied about his age, was a tail-gunner in a B-17. Shot down over Cologne he was captured and held prisoner for six months until finally they marched to freedom.
247. Stewart says:
9 Feb 2021 03:27:13 PM

how many sorties did b-17s fly in ww-ii" over Germany? in Europe?
248. Jeannie Bain says:
18 Oct 2021 03:15:19 PM

My uncle was shot down over Sicily 7/16/1943, only 3 crew survived out of 9. Wm N Jackson, Waist Gunner. Pilot Robt. Fonner. Does anyone still alive remember this crew? Want pics.
249. Jeannie Bain says:
18 Oct 2021 03:50:14 PM

I saw somewhere there is a data base that tracks B-17 bombing missions by plane number. I can’t find it again. Anyone seen it?
250. Anonymous says:
10 Mar 2022 08:18:16 AM

The Suzy-Q, a 19th BG B-17E, was the first USAAF heavy bomber to complete 25 missions and return to the US. It flew combat missions early in the war in the Pacific from February-October 1942, when it returned to the US for a war bond tour.
251. Anonymous says:
15 Mar 2022 07:52:33 PM

My father John B Murphy served the B17 right waist gunner early in the war based in England. I have no idea what bomb group he was in. I understand most of the military record were destroyed in a fire in Philadelphia in the 70's?
252. HRS says:
25 Mar 2022 01:46:23 PM

B-17, WW2 , “My Ideal”
Please advise any information.
Thank you.
253. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
25 Mar 2022 05:12:00 PM

HRS (above):
I would have sent you an email but you left no email address. I show records for two B-17’s named ‘My Ideal.’ One was B-17G #42-97156 that may have been named ‘Yo is My Ideal’ of the 94th Bomb Group, first with the 410th Bomb Squadron and then with the 333rd Bomb Squadron. Suffered battle damage over Berlin 26 Feb 1945 and made a forced landing in Luxembourg. The other was B-17G #43-37767 that also had the name ‘Star Eyes’ (either before or after ‘My Ideal’ or at the same time; records are unclear. MACR lists “Nickname: None”). Assigned to 339th Bomb Squadron, 96th Bomb Group. On raid to Brunswick 2 Mar 1945, suffered a mid-air collision with B-17G #44-8697 with both planes going into the North Sea and 18 killed.
254. Ralph Orduno says:
31 Mar 2022 03:24:04 PM

R/T code for Virgin Sturgeon- 570th
255. Ralph Orduno says:
31 Mar 2022 03:28:49 PM

R/T code for Virgin Sturgeon- 570th
256. al. says:
1 Apr 2022 06:13:25 PM

how do i find out about information on a b-17 pilot ???
257. Jerry Mazurek says:
5 Jun 2022 10:54:24 AM

What happened to the B 17 bomber named ‘Kickapoo’?
258. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
5 Jun 2022 02:21:59 PM

Jerry (above):
According to Dave Osborne’s B-17 Master Log, there were 3 B-17s named “Kickapoo Joy Juice” and one named “Kickapoo.” Kickapoo, #41-24447 with the 91BG, 401BS, was lost on a raid to Wilhelmshafen 26 Feb 1943 when a flak hit caused fire in #4 engine and the plane crashed into the North Sea. 10 killed.
259. Robert Prejza says:
5 Aug 2022 12:08:31 PM

Looking for a B17 named James Coll. Navigator Robert D. Clapp. It was based in Deophen Green Airbase East Anglia in 1944. Any information would be appreciated.
Thank You.
260. Tim Korrot says:
7 Nov 2022 09:01:27 AM

I'm looking for my dad's plane, Miss Begotten"
261. Thomas C McAuley says:
11 Nov 2022 11:32:14 AM

I am trying to find information on a plane i found while looking at Google maps. It looks like a B17 but a good portion of the body is missing. The tail section and majority of the wings are there including the engines it looks like. 35.902136, -117.724074 is the location
262. Richard Knapp says:
14 Nov 2022 01:07:29 AM

What was the nickname of the plane woth the serial number 42-31556
The pilot was warren lutz. It was the plane for the 368th bomber squadron. 306th bomber group. 8th division.
263. Anonymous says:
30 Dec 2022 10:27:54 PM

I’m looking for my grandfather’s plane he flew. His name was Lane Jordan
264. Patton Black says:
30 Dec 2022 11:37:08 PM

Harold Lane Jordan information
265. Anonymous says:
7 Jan 2023 05:10:40 PM

Im trying to find information about my grandpa Clarence Irvin Kyles. He was a radio man/gunner on a B-17 called The Bad Penny he only flew four missions. The only reason he flew four missions is because his eardrums burst.
266. Anonymous says:
10 Jan 2023 09:28:26 AM

looking for information on Irivin Washington Casey Top Turret Gunner on a B-17 shot down over Germany on */26/44 Would like to find if any bomber crews that may have know him!
267. Anonymous says:
18 Feb 2023 10:11:18 AM

I have photo of plane and crew. It was with my Dad's things. The pic on the plane say "Goon". It doesn't match pic of "The Goon" .. Trying to family of these men.
268. amy wheeler says:
23 Feb 2023 12:34:08 PM

i am trying to find out if the any of my grandfathers flights were escorted by tuskeegee airmen, how could i go about finding this out? he was a bombadier in B17s in ww2
269. jeff h says:
25 Feb 2023 02:29:58 AM

looking for info on Edward J Cisek. I believe he was a flight engineer on a B-17 or B-24 flying out of england.

thank in advance!
270. Anonymous says:
23 Apr 2023 08:47:40 AM

Looking for information on B-17 nicknamed Lil Joan, shot down over the Adriatic Sea March 11th 1944! I knew one of the survivors, his name was Marvin Hoff! Thank you sir!
271. David Stubblebine says:
23 Apr 2023 09:00:52 PM

Anonymous (above):
“Li’l Joan” was B-17F #42-30416 with the 340th Bomb Squadron based in Amendola, Italy. On a raid to the marshalling yards at Padua, Italy, the bomber was damaged in the first pass of German Bf-109 fighters and fell behind the formation. “Li’l Joan” was swarmed by up to 6 fighters, starting a fire in the area of the radio room that burned for several minutes. The tail gunner bailed out almost right away. 8 more parachutes were seen a few minutes later. One wing exploded with fire consuming the aircraft. Only 2 crewmembers were picked up from the Adriatic, flight engineer T/Sgt Marvin Hoff and navigator 1Lt Stanley Rosoff. Both were taken POW and survived the war.
272. mary Clogston says:
20 May 2023 01:36:04 PM

Henry Rivet, pilot of a B 17 flying out od East Anglia, lives in my assisted living facility. He has forgotten the name of his plane. Can you help him with this?
273. Anonymous says:
30 May 2023 05:12:41 AM

Hello, I'm trying to find out information on a b17 that has the number 7784 on the front right side. My grandfather was the tail gunner and his name was Melvis Baty Barnett. My dad has thought the plane was called "our baby".
274. Peter R says:
30 May 2023 05:45:30 AM

I am looking for any information on “Spirit of Tenafly.”

“The above photograph of Tenafly's own heavy. bomber, The "Spirit of Tenafly," which was named in recognition of Tenafly's participation in the Second War Loan Drive in April, was received this week from the Treasury Department by William E. Baker, chairman of Tenafly's War Bond Committee.
The intensive drive sponsored by Tenafly Lions Club at that time resulted in sales of
E, F and G bonds with an issue price of $371,000.”

I am unable to send the picture.

Tenafly is my hometown. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

275. Paul Yosef Tiensten says:
3 Dec 2023 10:27:11 PM

I am from Tol near Rabaul, New Britain, Papua New Guinea where B-17E Fortress aircraft "Chief Seattle" became missing on 14 Aug 1942, and was never found but now I can confidently say that the remains of the aircraft have been found.
276. John McGlynn says:
22 Jan 2024 10:20:51 AM

Im doing a flight jacket of Lightning Strike B17 42-3073, I read t he book and it states it did 28 mission, when I look it up online its shows 23 mission Which is correct? Also when it was shot down was this counted as one of the missions?
277. Phil Marchese says:
8 Feb 2024 10:28:33 AM

The citation of five B-17 Bomb Groups in the Fifth Air Force is unsupport. There were five units in the Pacific. The 19th; 43rd and Project X enroute to the 7th Bg in Asia. The 7th Air For e, late the 13th AF had two Groups in the South Pacific. The PIA Northern Area ( 11 the AF) had some early detachments of B-17 in the 28th CG but none by the time it was the 28th BG(C)..
278. Phil marchese says:
8 Feb 2024 10:34:56 AM

A gross omission in B-17 chonology is the first unit in the EAME. That was the Brereton Detachment to the First Provisional Bomb Group in the Middle East. The detachment was draw from the 9th BS, 7th BG in Asia. It flew mission from Africa circa June/Jult , 1942 over a month before the VIII BC initiated combat in the ETO.
279. Phil Marchese says:
8 Feb 2024 10:42:02 AM

In the EAME, during 1944 and leading up to June 6, the B-24 Bomb Groups outnumbered the B'17 BGs. Unitil the 3rd Bomb Divison fully converted to the B-17 circa mid-Auvust 1944, the B-24 was more numerious in the EAME. Check also the 8th AF comparision before the 3rdBD conversion.
280. Phil Marchese says:
8 Feb 2024 11:16:47 AM

See B- 17F VE 40/45 including 42-5957 & 42-5964 for examples of the B-17F/UAL A-10 Bendix chin turret crew trainer of June/ Jult, 1943 set up the B-17G planners in advance of the G-DL August deliveries. These Vegas are omitted from nearly all B-17 development accounts but documented in several photographs. My FB account under Flip has a forum group named Flying Fortress 1936 1945 with examples and many other lesser known B-17 details. You may avail ypuself of the revealtions there, all supportrx by documentation.
281. Butch Maynard says:
20 Mar 2024 06:43:52 AM

What B-17 had the most combat missions ?
282. Commenter identity confirmed David Stubblebine says:
21 Mar 2024 02:03:38 PM

Butch Maynard (above):
I Googled the exact text of your comment and got the answer (I think). The 8th Air Force bomber with the most combat missions is thought to be B-17G “Nine-O-Nine” #42-31909 with the 91st Bomb Group at Bassingbourn with 140 missions. This bomber flew back to the United States in 1945 with over 600 patched holes in the skin stemming from battle damage.

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